[UKR] What's next?
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by mihail.cazacu
Let's first look at the facts: a referendum takes place in Ukraine. The foreigners' votes are eliminated. I agree with this 100% - the referendum should reflect the will of the REAL Ukrainians.
After the foreigners' votes are eliminated we see 51% of the Real Ukrainians voted for EDEN. What does the president do?
He declares he will join Phoenix. He has enough support in the Congress to avoid an impeachment. Good for him!
However this is the beauty of the game mechanics: while he can avoid an impeachment, in order for Ukraine to actually join Phoenix the Congress should vote for alliances (MPPs) with Phoenix and against MPPs with EDEN.
Until that happens, the president's choice is just his personal choice.
He can order the Army to fight against EDEN in order to create tensions. But the Army can ignore his orders and fight for the national interests of Ukraine.
We had a somewhat similar situation in February: the Romanian president had decided to "go on strike" and not support EDEN's operations anymore. The Romanian army disobeyed his orders and fought alongside her traditional allies. Because the army's first and most important allegiance is to the Country, not to the man who happens to be president for 1 month. The presidents come and go, the Country is forever.
Therefore the ball is now in the Congress' court. Will the Congress be able to enforce the will of the majority of the Real Life Ukrainians?
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Voted.
Мишань, приятно видеть снова в украинской прессе тебя и твои пропагандистские статьи, несомненно всегда наивысшего качества.
Правда в этот раз не очень. Украина не будет входить в Феникс, а будет придерживаться Антанты без всяких проститутских выкрутасов, типа Свободу Франции, но против Польши мы бить не будем.
И как, важно, отмечают многие, референдум слишком не однозначный, чтобы слепо, руководствуясь им, принять решение.
В прочем, ты, конечно найжешь множество доводов обратного, ведь ты шеф разведки ЭДЕНа.
Vote!
Very interesting 🙂
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are there any MPPs with EDEN counries on the table?
But the Army can ignore his orders and fight for the national interests of Ukraine.
ай-яй-яй, какой ты пакостник.
перенесем опыт румынских маргиналов двухмесячной давности на Украину?🙂
The current situation is serious but not desperate. It is serious because a president can't ignore the will of the majority of the Real Ukrainians. If he does, who is he working for?
It is not desperate because there are other options left: the Congress and the Army still can serve the Ukrainian National Interests better than the president.
And yes, I am the chief of EDEN's Intel - it's a matter of public knowledge. I was all the time while I was ambassador in Ukraine. Did I ever give you any wrong advices? Did I ever put in danger your National Security?
Your economy is growing stronger and stronger and your army better and better _precisely_ because until now you have made the correct choices from the point of view of the UKRAINIAN National Interest.
I am sure you will continue to show the same wisdom from now on.
@gigster: There are, but we were waiting to see what happens after the referendum. We are a bit unsure what to think now.
@ArtBishop: There was another guy, Alexander Sunbeliever, using the same type of words. He didn't fare too well. In case you did not know, this is a game programmed and owned by Romanians. Therefore you are better served by abstaining from racist comments.
@mr.rety: Huh?!
оу, цілий казаку порадував нас у нашому медіапространстві.
Huh?! stiu ca aveti o experienta buna de sabotaj.)
te-ai saturat sa distrezi in asa fel in Romania, ai venit aici? 🙂
Когда ждать прибытие румынский танков для восстановление попранной демократии и свержение тирана?
По-моему, руманское ТО и кабальный для еУкраины контракт в достаточной мере продемонстрировали благонадёжность и добрососедство еРумынии.
@gigster: There are
can you at least briefly describe what they are and what conditions they are under?
this is a serious question. as far as I understand, Poland refused to sign an MPP with Romania and other EDEN countries putting forward conditions rather unfavourable towards Ukraine. Is this so? Or, say, Romania is ready to sign an unconditional MPP with us signing an MPP, say, with Russia to counter-balance?
@Txip: That is the Soviet-style "liberation"
@Bobrikov: Indeed. Thanks to that contract Ukraine became a rich country and got Kiev back in just 5 days, after unsuccessfully negotiating with Hungary for 3 months.
You know, Hungary - the "allied" who made you buy Urals and North Caucasus from them.
And who is now interested in your diamonds 😉
@mr.rety: Huh?! For the second time...
@gigster:
Counterbalance what?! We have explained that if you sign an MPP with any Phoenix country you will fight for Phoenix and therefore against EDEN.
This is what made Poland angry at you last month: fighting against them. This is the reason the other EDEN countries _postponed_ (not _refused_, just postponed) signing MPPs until the situation in Ukraine become clear.
Now we have a referendum where the Real Life Ukrainians want to associate with EDEN and where the president disregards the will of the people and wants to join Phoenix instead.
Does this situation look crystal clear for you?
Казаку призывает к бунту и внутреннему расколу страны, чтобы армия и общество не подчинялись президенту.
Спасибо за "идею", до момента ХУНТЫ была вполне нормальная статья, но всё-таки твои намерения посеять хаос на украине и расколоть её в конце всё-таки проявились.
2 cosacu
it does not.
but still, i'm trying to make it clearer for myself. there's a divide in the ukrainian society on what bloc we should be closer to. so i'm trying to find out if there is a possibility of having mpps with both EDEN, and Phoenix countries? or does any of the two blocs (or both) propose conditions so rigid that ukraine has to choose just one bloc and thus lose its neutrality.
Кстати, Михаил, не так давно в интервью писал, что они не вмешиваться в украинские дела, так как их устраивало то, каким курсом идет Украина и какой срач происходил с Россией.
Видимо тепер обстоятельства изменились и САМ Козаку решил вмешаться и разрулить по-отцовски всю эту канитель.
Кстати, раз уж шеф разведки ЭДЕНа решил вмешаться - стоит ждать координации ЭДЕНовцев тут и румын с украинскими паспортами на выборах в Конгресс. Если раньше они не вмешивались серьезно в ситуацию, то теперь будет планирование использования румынских ТОшников.
doare nu? esti disperat coacaze? las sa vina baietii in Phoenix, o se le fie bine cu noi.
poop
51% of the Real Ukrainians heh??? They are roumanians...
2 Ernst von Jacob: No, there was real Ukrainians.
По остальному - армия не станет воевать против приказа, просто люди повыходят из этой и так уже ослабленной армии (некоторые значительные иргоки оттуда уже ушли)
He [Mac ]declares he will join Phoenix.
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Ложь и провокация! Мак наоборот написал, что будет развивать Антанту и в Феникс не вступит. Зачем врать?
Ребята, румынский оккупант и производитель цветных революций в Румынии пытается расколоть Украину и поссорить нас друг с другом. Поэтому и использует лживую пропаганду.
cazacu, go home!
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Киборд, ты писал, что уйдешь из Армии, если она будет бить за Феникс. А если Армии будет участвовать в освобождении французского региона - тоже уйдешь?
Txip, единственный народ, героически сражавшийся против Советов в ВОВ - немецкий. Румыны, как только запахло жареным, сдались быстро и четко.
Кстати, показательно, что немецкий и российский народ сейчас имеют великолепные отношения, а малые народы в ВОВ на стороне Рейха пытаются самореализоваться любыми средствами.
Caszacule.. Gesesti.. Armata e subordonata presedintelui. Ceea ce zici tu e valabil doar in universul tau si in special al Romaniei creata de UM-urile noastre.
De-abia astept un presedinte care sa le taie macaroana. Si sunt sigur ca pana la urma va veni unu.
Sa intre in Phoenix si apoi o sa avem si noi un scop. Regiunile lor plus un baby boom.
Numai bine
Ого як феніксівські тролі розійшлись! 🙂
Показово що від самих українців, крім гігстера і кіборда, ще жодного серйозного коментаря не було...
ФМР, мой непосредственный командир и самый преданный армеец, которого я знаю, свалил из армии, думаю мне тоже недолго сидеть там осталось. И насчет французского региона - да, скорее всего уйду.
@Kalimbo:
When I have first met you you were the leading member of the Military Junta who deposed Moredan Kantose. You have acted then in Russia's best interests: you got WSR back without having to pay for it like you have paid Hungary for the Urals and Northern Caucasus.
So you know that sometimes the president is NOT working in the interest of his country. And when that happened YOU did what had to be done.
@mr.rety:
1. There are times when the president is NOT acting in the interest of his country. It happened both in Russia and in Romania. And in both cases the Army did the right thing and disobeyed the presidential orders.
2. Iron is only valuable if it can be exported. A country which can't export sits on top of a mountain of...nothing.
Ukraine is the perfect example for this. Before August 2009 Ukraine was at war with EDEN. So she could not export to any EDEN country. She could not export to the PEACE countries because all the PEACE countries had colonies with high iron AND high import taxes. So Ukraine was a poor country.
Then Ukraine made peace with EDEN and started to export. She became a rich country. She experienced a "slow baby-boom" because she was able to use the money form exports to build a large network of Q5 hospitals.
Those hospitals increased the retention of the "babies". Her Army became stronger because people could fight 5 times each day, growing in rank.
Without exporting iron, such results would have been impossible. So where do you want to send the Ukrainian iron now?
To Hungary (iron in Heilongjiang and 99% import tax)?
To Serbia (iron in Liaoning and 15% import tax)?
Or to the rest of Phoenix whose imports combined do not match the imports of Romania alone? And I'm not even talking about the largest market, the Polish one.
а вот и сам ookyrrei в белом фраке пожаловал в камменты.
ждем остальных)
no vote
ookyrrei
Дезертирство из армии - серьезный проукраинский поступок.
Украинцы не желающие защищать Украину не нужны.
Миша, не надо та переживать. Ведь это шахматы, не так ли?🙂
И мы играем. Ты за черных, а я за белых.
Просто вызывает недоумение, почему ты еще пытаешься играть желто-синими фигурами, можешь не успеть уследить за черными🙂
Ты так переживаешь за Украину ,что она не сможет экспортировать железо, или переживаешь за 370% профит Румныии?🙂
Now, after the shameful decision of the Ukrainian government against the will of the majority of eUkrainians, the position of Romanians and Poles will have a great importance. You should not follow the provocations of Phoenix to open hostilities against eUkraine!
@MirceaDrac:
Romania, cu o populatie de doar 5k jucatori activi si fara nicio colonie este a patra putere in eRepublik din cauza ca 2000 din cei 5000 sunt in armata.
Daca ne uitam si la numarul total de voturi in alegeri (pentru congres sau presedinte) vedem ca numarul celor care voteaza e putin sub 3000. Compara si numarul asta cu armata de 2000 de oameni si vezi a cui parere conteaza cu adevarat.
In realitate, nu in teorie.
Congress supported MPP with EDEN
@ookyrrei: I think wisdom will prevail over the provocations.
@mr.rety: So Ukraine should become poor again because you want so? You know what will happen if Ukraine stops exporting to Romania and Poland don't you?
Nothing much: Spain, Greece, the United States and Peru will simply increase their market share. The Romanian government will still make 370% profit on the RON-gold conversion. But how will Ukraine survive the loss of the exports to her key markets?
Check mate!
>> But how will Ukraine survive the loss of the exports to her key markets?
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if eUkrianians iron becomes the cheapest it will be sold in any way.
не так уже это безболезненно для вас, как ты тут рисуешь, особенно для вашего бейби-бума.)
и почему ты уверен, что Украина не сможет переоринетироваться на другие рынки сбыта?
жареным запахло? экий, сразу прибежал...)
spam+troll....
No one is saying that Ukraine will join Phoenix.
Telling the army not to follow official orders - is that what ambassador should do?
Looks like Romania don't want to be a friend to Ukraine. First, you declined to sign MPP without any reasons, now this article. What's next? War? Or one more TO?
@Ukraine 4ever:
I am not the ambassador to Ukraine since February. Which is a good thing because it gives me more freedom to express my opinions.
As for declining to sign the MPP, it was not _declined_ it was postponed. And I have explained to your President why:
If you have an MPP with an EDEN country you can't fight against that EDEN country or against any EDEN country in general.
It is as simple as that.
Voted.
"и почему ты уверен, что Украина не сможет переоринетироваться на другие рынки сбыта?" - потому что других рынков для Украины не существует.
@mihail.cazacu din statistici cel mult 1000 din armata sunt activi. Deci distributia este cu totul alta decat sustii tu. Asa ca inca mai am sperante ca lucrurile vor ajunge cat de curand la normalitate. Si puterea va trece in mainile alesilor nu a comandantilor de unitati.
VIVA EDEN
Voted!
Si sa nu uitam ca nu toate UM-urile sunt finaintate de catre stat. Iar cele private sunt mult mai eficiente. Dar asta e alta discutie. Deci probabil ca din aia 1000 sa zicem 600-700 ar fi de acord cu tine.
@MirceaDrac:
Humm, ia uita-te cati dintre congressmani poarta uniforma si intreaba-te daca e doar o coincidenta 😉
Mie imi ies 25 din 33.
кстати, друзяки украинцы, можете гугло-транслейтом полюбоваться на румын, пришедших в камменты и пишуших "миша, не трынди"🙂
других рынков для Украины не существует. это звучит как молитва.