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UKPP running UKRP members? How sweet of them

What a weak congress list. CheetahCurtis and Sambo223 deserve to be much higher up the list. If you actually want to build a good name for UKPP you would put the most experienced candidates at the top with the less at the bottom. Congress decides how the UK is run so should have people with the most knowledge and experience possible setting the direction of the nation.

Sambo lied to me and an adviser whose opinion I value cautioned me against it anyway.

As for Cheetah he should get in. He's not technically UKPP.

The fact you even thought I was UKPP was the best bit

I have a trusting nature, but I wasn't born yesterday.

seems like it most of the time

BaronChris who they put in 3rd didn't do a single thing last Congress term. I even wrote an article saying that. They've then put a list of largely unknown people (outside of UKPP at least) above me. All I can say is thankfully they put CrispyDragon in 1st or else this would probably be the worst UKPP Congress list I've ever seen. Congress will probably be a lot more inactive next term because of this, so what does it matter if I'm actually in Congress?

I reckon it is the worst list I've ever seen...

Haha, well you haven't seen a list with BigAnt on it then 🙂
But seriously, UKPP used to have decent lists and then they come out with this...

It's not UKPP. It's the PP. Once next term is here we can actually get started.

In fairness the criticisms are misplaced.

Sambo was trying to troll UKPP and credit to him, it almost succeeded. However, I don't see why we need to effectively gift a Congress Seat to UKRP because Sambo is active. If he wanted to be in Congress he should have ran there.

ESO come with sweet words and promises of votes in exchange for a favourable Congress placement. Nothing wrong with that, until you realise they promise the same thing to the majority of the Top 5. CheetahCurtis has been put in a relatively safe place. Relatively, therefore, he has to get his party support to guarantee success. What's so bad about calling in on the deal?

As for the rest of the list? It's definitely fair to say some contribute more than other's. That's the same story in every party. Some parties are fortunate they have a higher percentage of contributors. I genuinely applaud them for that. We are working every day to get activity up in UKPP.

The fact that you've put someone in 3rd who did absolutely nothing last term while I'm in 10th (and did quite a lot) is what annoys me. In my eyes it basically shows UKPP don't care about the eUK and just want to have numbers in Congress. I don't want to influence how your party runs but whoever set that list shouldn't be given powers in my opinion.

CC you're usually an intelligent guy. Let's take a conservative number; if we are going to get 8 places what does it matter if you're 1st or 8th? It's just a number and to get upset over it shows either a lack of understanding of game mechanics, or pettiness. Therefore, complaining over placement is rather pointless.

If, on the other hand, you don't like whose running, fair enough. This is not the strongest list we've had, we've recently lost some awesome people. However, we can't force them to come back and we can't magic awesome people out of no where. What we can do is to make the best of the cards dealt before us. Blaming William for doing that is unduly harsh.

You wont get 10 seats (if you think that then you need to take a serious look at UKPP at the moment) and you've put me in 10th, whereas you've put what looks like inactive people in 3rd and other places. Obviously I will complain about placement when you are harming the eUK by putting inactive people in Congress instead of active people, at the moment Congress are one of the main decision makers for the eUK and having inactive people in Congress doesn't help.

You can't argue putting inactive people instead of me in Congress is beneficial to the eUK, it only benefits UKPP who are going downhill at the moment. "UKPP is a party which stands for progress in Britain, and we will deliver on that in the next Parliamentary term" is in the article, but UKPP don't really seem to be trying to progress the eUK here.

I think we will squeak out 9. I don't think ESO all has instructions to vote for us. The numbers aren't there. We got 10 last month, so it is reasonable to think we could get it again, especially since I made a point to appeal to unrepresented parties.

My first duty is to my party as PP. I let them all know what I planned on doing. There weren't any secrets, and your PP and I agreed on no lower than 10. I held up my end of the bargain.

I think that you are trying to smoothen something that is too rough to be sanded. In other words, I think that you know that the list is bad and you are just trying to save the party's dignity now..

Are you UKPP or not? When things don't go your way you distance yourself, then in the same breath you talk about a glorious return where you will save the Party.

You have to stick with what you believe in, especially through rough patches, otherwise you come across as an opportunist and people will quickly realise you as one.

On your comment, I am not trying to sand anything down, but rather present a far more balanced analysis. Two criticisms have surfaced, Sambo and CC not placing higher. Firstly Rambo himself will tell you he doesn't deserve a place on our list and secondly CC is more upset over a number than realising he's still been given a good shot at getting into Congress he otherwise would not have in ESO.

As for the quality of people running? Yes it is much lower than we are used to, but as I said in my opening point, I intend to see this rough patch through and make the best of the situation we are in as that is the responsible thing to do.

I see my auto correct put Sambo's name as Rambo, I can live with that.

FYI I left not because I am not faithful, but because firstly, the UKPP will not achieve anything this term. Well not until a new PP comes through because as he said, quote 'We can see this party become the new UKIP'. Secondly, how am I supposed to change anything without being in neither Congress and the cabinet. William despises me and would never give me a good position in either. The UKRP are kind in giving me a good place. Thirdly, as for Curtis, it was not the fact that he was in N.10, but the fact that he was lower than people that won't do sh*t all term and didn't do sh*t last term. It was also the fact that William chose the congressmen on the basis of if he likes them or not rather than if they are good politicians.

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William does a lot of communication in Private Message. So he does know the people he has put on the list. I get you have to take my word for that, no biggie if you don't. As for these people appearing inactive? Completely fair criticism. I join you in your frustration at UKPP's lack of presence.

UKRP have been awesome to take you in. I am just genuinely baffled as to which party you actually stand with.

I also get you wouldn't have much 'power' to make decisions, or push buttons, but I don't think you would be powerless if you stayed in UKPP. Your voice is the most effective weapon in eRepublik. You could use it to shore up support, or sway opinions. Also, in the grand scheme of things, one month is a short period of time. You could have spent it in the UKPP campaigning for support.

In fairness, many of the criticisms are hardly misplaced.

The events of the past couple of months have done much to damage the party, and no matter how hard our illustrious PP might try, I can't see it getting any better under his controversial "rule".

Aside from yourself and PN (in a very lowly 7th) this looks like the weakest UKPP list in a very long time. CC deserved a higher slot; even if Sambo was trolling, he's an experienced politician (and hey, isn't the job of politicians to troll us?). Half of these candidates are less active in feeds and party messages than I am when I've been two-clicking for the past 3-4 weeks.

It's very complacent to infer that, just because we've managed 10-12 congress seats in the past, that we'll manage that this time. I'm sure PCP thought that their top 5 place was safe too, last month. The only thing that might help us reach such targets are the two-clickers who blindly vote without reading any of the articles or even looking at who will represent them in congress for the forthcoming term.

I'm glad real life intervened allowing me to step out of politics to two-click for a while...

I will respectfully disagree. Two-clickers are swayed by comments, articles and direct private messages. I know because that's what I did in my two terms as PP.

I don't think we are safe at all and I am certainly not complacent. If I was I'd sit back and let these comments fly. Instead, I recognise the danger we are in and I'm here commenting to try and help in the way I think is best.

I simply do not understand this mentally of letting our house burn because we don't like the current PP. I'd much rather put out the fires, then rebuild at the first opportunity.

You hit the nail on the head that the list is not as good as previously. Yourself, Tangbod, Rory, EMPRAH are just off the top of my head as some of the best members we have. You all didn't apply for your own personal reasons which is perfectly understandable. It does, however, mean we need to carry on without you guys for now.

It does make me wonder why some of those names you list did not stand for congress (and another name that is missing springs immediately to mind for me - the perennial UKPP congressman Mr Knee). For myself, I just won't have the time to take an active part, and I'd much rather be out of congress than inactive - I feel the RL issues of the past month have not done much good for any future political aims I might have, thanks to my inactivity. It does make me wonder whether individual decisions not to stand might have been swayed by the current party leadership; however, I do recognise that it's a busy time for many who might be in educational circles so perhaps my innate cynicism is misplaced.

I applaud your efforts in trying to defuse the dissatisfaction of parts of the membership and admire your loyalty to the party regardless of the leadership. Yes, the UKPP is bigger than any one individual within it, but when an individual throws petrol on the fire with such an inflammatory list, I fear you'll have your work cut out trying to extinguish it.

Can't fault you here. Well played.

I understand your feel for the party and I admire it, but in my case I couldn't stand to stay in the party anymore because of the PP. Although I am a more experienced player in the game, I wouldn't say I am adept and that means there is much room to improve and so I would rather expand my knowledge and experience, then come back to my party with a broader view and a refreshed mind. I agree that your voice is the most important thing in this game, but I also want to speak in congress first hand and I think I can share my voice better in congress. I have been in the UKPP all the way through my time in the eUK until now, so I would definitely call myself committed to the party, but I know when to stand down. When the party was taken over by serbs I stood by it while all else left, I helped to get rid of them. So I hardly can be called 'not committed' or a synonym of that statement.

I was upset that I lost and how I lost to FAP too. Did I go storming off and insulting everyone who didn't vote for me? No.

You handled this the completely WRONG way.

I've handled it the wrong way? I'm not angry because of the elections, I'm angry because of the stupid, inexperienced way you have handled the party since. Besides, look at all these other people who agree with me. I am not acting out of spite because of the elections, if you think this is what this is all about.

um, what? Praytell what have I done that is "stupid"?

You've turned some of your former supporters here against you.

If there's anyone behaving stupidly then you need to take a look in the mirror.

I've been trying to lead the party, and I've made all my decisions after seeking the counsel of others as well.

I certainly can argue for putting inactives in front of you. You very much come across as wanting your cake and eating it.

I'll give you some hard truths here that will make me unpopular with you. If you wanted to take have an impact on politics you would join an established Top 5 Party permanently. I get that you like ESO, it is a fun place, full of fun people. However, you need to accept the limitations of being party of a small active party, and that is you don't get to run in congress unless a Top 5 party shows you favour. Your apparent attitude of entitlement comes across as very spoilt and it surprises me, as normally you are a level headed guy. Why are you spitting your dummy because you didn't get your way?

I used to be part of ESO, when it was first, when it was 6th, 7th, etc. I stayed for as long as I enjoyed it, but then I wanted to be involved in Politics, so I left for a Top 5 party that could make that happen and then I invested in it.

If you want to run under a ESO banner it is only fair for us to expect your party sends votes to get you in. We will not give you a free ride. Otherwise, join a Top 5 party properly and invest to EARN your place.

As for us not getting 10? Maybe not this term, but we regularly pull 9-12 seats per month so my expectation wasn't outlandish. Your ungratefulness has harmed those aspirations, though, so I guess cutting your nose to spite your face works.

Above is at CC

Hit reply on the wrong comment. Terrible.

I'll let you off. Don't do it again 😉

Was this a reply to where I talked about UKPP not helping the eUK? As I hope you know, I always talk about how I want the eUK to improve and succeed. Congress has been increasing in activity over the past few months but this UKPP list is sending it back in the wrong direction. If you had a decent list and active members above me I wouldn't be so bothered, it's the fact that UKPP is putting itself above the country (and damaging Congress because of it). I understand some of your players might have real life issues and can't run for Congress this month but I don't see how putting inactives ahead of actives helps.

I might not have earned any respect from UKPP to earn a high place, but from my last two Congress terms I've positively contributed to pretty much every discussion and put the eUK first. When your party is putting so many inactives into Congress it makes it even worse that we are losing our actives because of it (and I wish Sambo had run in his own party). Whatever the person who set the list thinks must be different to what a majority of the eUK thinks, as I'm sure many people would say I've earned more right to be in Congress than most of the list.

And now that BDP has risen (instead of PCP) we can expect that UKPP wont be hitting double figures as often, and with the current PP (I've heard active people leaving the party because of him) it just makes it worse. I want UKPP to do well but you can't expect the get as many seats as you used to.

Also, I have nothing to really to be grateful for since you put me in a place that clearly wasn't going to get a seat.

And final note, as I've probably said in different ways in every comment, I'm upset that we are filling Congress with actives this term, not specifically because I've not been given a seat. And now I'm running out of characters, I need mo

I get the feeling we are looking at this from two different angles. It seems you view Congress as an entity and the best people should get in regardless of party affiliation. Fair enough.

I, and many others, view Congress as a representation of the Top 5 most popular Parties. Therefore, inclusion is dependent on Party affiliation and activity together. Loyalty should be shown to those in your party first, before outsiders.

I find it outlandish that some have said Sambo, a UKRP until he dies guy, should be given a place on UKPP's back because he is more active than others in the party. In the same breath I also find your expectation to be put higher because you feel you are more active is equally outlandish. This sense of entitlement is wrong.

If you were to commit to the UKPP as a permanent member I can say with huge confidence you wold be top three, if not first.

It pretty much comes down to Party loyalty which is perfectly fair, even if you don't like the outcome.

Dear Mr. William, I have a few things I would really like to throttle you for right now. You have cheated during the last elections, using multis - I wasn't too bothered, apart from the part when you became a huge hypocrite. You started dishing out places in the cabinet to people you don't even know properly, I wasn't too bothered, just a bit annoyed. You then start giving people places in congress who are only in congress because you like them, this is called favouritism - it should never be in politics. The thing that really, really pissed me off and set off my fuse was the fact that you won't give Curtis, Sambo and Pannonian a higher position. They are more valuable than yourself. I don't care whether Sambo lied to you, you deserve it. there has been an unbreakable bond between the UKPP and ESO for a long time now and some how you think it is your place to give Curtis a crap position? Some how you think it is ok to try and break that bond? You have a lot to learn my friend...a lot to learn... I will give you a first tip which is from a good friend of mine: You know that they are going to be crap as soon as they tell the public who their IRL party is..

You sound very aggressive - chill out

That's because he's ruining my party and I don't take that for likely...

Complete over-exaggeration you mean your not in congress and not happy about, you seem to be either a bad sport or just a hater?

How is this any exaggeration in any way? I have said the truth and only the truth, if you really want to argue with someone who is actually part of the party you can ask many others first, so that you don't start an unnecessary row.

lol, the truth based on no evidence at all? So you would've won the Election with 9 votes? I had no need to cheat. I narrowly lost to FAP and the members recognized that he was not a wise choice for PP. As I've said, your behaviour since then has virtually guaranteed you'll never be PP of this party. I am sure I won't be the last person to take the helm of this party, but your behaviour has been extremely childish and you have insulted a lot of members of this party. FYI, I have known these people and talked to them for months.

Ok? I make no secret of my support for UKIP. It's a free kingdom.

Hahaha, find me people who would really support you and tell them to send me a message, then say these things. BTW, I have more supporters than you (not including multis).

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The stench of bought votes is strong here.

Trolling again?

Nope. The votes jumped after about 11 hours at around 10 votes to 61 over the next 4 hours. With the lack of experienced candidates and the amount of criticism/support for the list in the comments I'm afraid I'm serious.

Big Deal, you need to lighten up these people are running a guy from your party, why so serious its a bank holiday 🙂

some UKPP members really do moan, they are not party focused just individual focused on themselves being in congress all the time

@ Max Blue Sambo is UKRP doesn't deserve to me on that list @ CheetahCurtis run with BDP we will put you 1st