[Spain vs Portugal] Opinion and analysis (with various CP's opinion)
Nuno Vieira
Dear friends,
This is just another article about the well known conflict between Spain and Portugal, based on real facts and also in my personal opinion. At the end you will find opinions from some CPs about this war.
Spain - the beginning
When everything seemed calm, Spain decides to adopt an aggressive stance and the launch of a NE based on dubious facts. Two months of failed negotiations are not an excuse for an attack, especially when these negotiations failed due to the aggressive demands by the Spanish Government.
The attack on the Norte region proves this attitude is only for revenge and strenght demonstration to get through the military way what they never got on the negotiating table. The failure starts with the already provided proof that the attack was premeditated and they were confident of winning the aluminum in Norte, confirmed by the President of USA in his article where he states that the order is to fight along with Spain with a view to having Maine back as a payback for the assistance. Spain is trowing back regions to a recent enemy in exchange for help against a pro-TWO country. They are completely out of control and using strategic thinking like a 10 years old kid.
While they can not win Norte the other bonuses begin to fall like dominoe pieces. First is Azores and every resources in North America. Then, the grain with a RW in the Algarve region and the war begins to enter in Spanish territory with the successful attack from Portugal in Castilla y Leon. When it was thought that Spain was going to respond with more fire power they encounter one of the biggest nightmares in all the Spanish history: A new MEK Day begins in Guayana. MEK are a real nightmare in Spanish venezuelan colonies.
The route to those important resources in Venezuela are now without a path to mainland and some time later the capital Madrid is isolated with the conquest of Castilla la Mancha, leaving one of the most powerful countries in the world reduced to one single resource.
In my opinion, whatever happens next, Spain lost the war precisely at the time they took a bad set of strategic options and especially for having adopted an attitude even more arrogant than they already had. They despised Portugal, disrespected their allies in TWO, and above all, they completely ignored the stability of the alliance of which they take part.
TWO - the hassle
After months trying to mediate the negotiations, HQ of TWO look back and they only see a huge loss of time expended over that matter. The attitude of Spain puts the alliance in a very awkward position, being obliged to give its official support to something that most citizens of their countries disagree. It is perfectly natural that TWO supports who is a founding member of the alliance, however we all know this is a very critical situation and there are more countries involved in the conflict. The last article from TWO is very clear in showing to everybody the whole mess ceated by Spain in this matter, with the HQ saying they will hit hard to secure Spanish positions in the map against the opponents. Well, those opponents are mainly TWO or pro-TWO nations, probably half of the Serbian population, half of the Slovenians and so on.
At a time when TWO is the only alliance organized as such, and the world is going through a new geo-political transformation, it is important not to let this conflict be used as the new alignments that could cause sudden severe fractures within the alliance. What matters is not only what TWO’s HQ and governments think but also the positioning of citizens that can lead to internal political transformations in different countries and can turn to big changes of directions in some nations.
Portugal - the appropriate response
The best answer from Portugal was the way they kept their own identity. They showed no fear and did not fall into the temptation to take refuge in a new positioning, keeping in line with the same path that brought them here, being a proud pro-TWO country. Quickly became apparent that the attack was also a way to bring down the relations of Argentina with TWO and over that matter, again, Portugal was humble enough to issue an article denouncing this fact and asking Argentina not to get envolved, even if it meant a defeat and a new wipe.
Portugal not only got the support from his seven MPPs but also got unofficial support from various corners of the world. Those who were aware of the battles easily spoted different nationalities fighting along with the Portuguese and it is also a proof that the world is still aware of what is going on and not living only in a blind idea of fighting with no causes.
Throughout all the battles the Portuguese soldiers have been very active and committed, which resulted in a landslide victory in the divisions D1 and D2 aswell as D3 with major victories over a better opponent. Spain can still come up with a reaction and delete Portugal from the map but what matters now is that the small country, using a remarkable strategy, reduced a major nation to a single resource: Fruits, Spain is now all about Fruits.
Finally I leave you with a few opinions i gathered from various country Presidents in answer to these 2 questions:
1 - What do you think about this war?
2 - Do you think both countries should stop this war and reach an agreement?
Poland - Prophet009
1 - I think that war is interesting and finally bringing some emotions
2 - However as a typical diplomat i'd suggest to reach some kind of agreement. that satisfy both sides
Serbia - Petar Popara Crni
1 - I think this isnt way that some proTWO country becomes TWO, and on other way also, how TWO country starts war in a time when we need good coordination.
2 - Yes. Best way is asap start negorations to reach an agreement.
Turkey - Eldarion Sionnodel
1 - Portugal has our full support because we don't like bullies.
2- We support also Portugal for agreement. If portugal think an agreement is best for them we support them too.
Croatia - john_rambo
1 - it is excellent war. the reason why i say like that is only cos it can give a new wind into eworld, a quit this rought domination of one side...
2 - and answer for second one is obvious: NO 🙂
USA - NewAzazel
1 - I put my stance on the war here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-potus-some-updates-and-information-2339320/1/20
2 - If they can reach an agreement, that is always good. But it appears Portugal isn't interested in that anymore.
Greece - taxoparei
1- It should have never started, we are draining our owm dmg. I guess someone found an opportunity and took it but I think that a diplomatic solution would be best for everybody
2- Be done with it already
Lithuania - ZygaLTU
1 - I would most likely say that I have no opinion. I did not get into much detail what happened there, so I cannot truly state my opinion. I know that Portugal wanted to go proTWO, but Spain disagreed with that...
2- Yes, sure, if an agreement would be reached it would be beneficial for everyone 🙂
Slovenia - Ice Killa
1 - My thoughts about this war are absolutely clear. I do not support the aggression of Spain towards Portugal and am of the opinion there was no need for the unprovoked attack. Spaniards had all the resources prior to war and could have easily kept the status quo. While having no deal, there would on the other hand be no war. War was declared and the consequences of past Spanish actions have come to life (people refusing to fight for a TWO member even though they are part of TWO). May I mention that even the Chilean CP fought for Portugal (I have a screenshot to prove that).
2 - Yes, I absolutely support a possible agreement. Even if it may sound utopian at this point, I believe an agreement between both sides is reachable. TWO HQ and the involving parties must get behind the same table and strike a deal to stop this lunacy.
Argentina - elinternacional
1 - I think this is a non sense war since Spain was not in the need to attack Portugal.
2 - si, deberian llegar a un nap que sea logico y beneficie a ambos. Yes, they should get to a logical NAP to benefit both sides.
Thank you,
N_V
Comments
"confirmed by the President of USA in his article where he states that the order is to fight along with Spain with a view to having Maine back as a payback for the assistance." can you put the article where the president of usa say that i want to read it
And about Slovenia i'm sure IceKilla wet her pants when she saw spain lose the bonus; and i'm sure she waste a lot of batteries every day watching the map and spain without bonus...it's love just love
Actually I support an agreement that would enable Spain to return to the prior status of having all the resources. Although you may talk demagogic nonsense, I am sure you are good at it.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Slovenia/134700 :/
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/military/Slovenia
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well if you fail launching it and lose it, it's not a reason. That mpp shows your opinion and intentions. But you can send it now and don't fail (the mpp slovenia-spain expire 2 days ago)
You have my opinion a bit more up in the article. Have fun.
I absolutely support an agreement where:
1. Spain keeps all the resources
2. Portugal also benefits from the deal
3. TWO preserves unity
4. you aren't present.
1. Resources mmmmm we can't get what we lose in the rws for a long, long time...
2. Yes they can be wiped or not wiped. (remember how they get back norte, backstage with a rw when spain have problems)
3. THREE??
4. Hahaha i love u too, we can adopt childrens in spain and be a funny family j3j3j3
Angeldav we got the RW Norte like now Venezuela and EUA get it...they dont fight someone fight for them... (Portugal) in norte someone fight for Portugal...but wait you gonna attack venezuela now? and better you gonna attack EUA? lol you only attack EUA because someone put you between the spade and the wall lol
You can find it in the answer by NewAzazel in the bottom of the article.
he modify it, cause i can't read nothing about getting back maine as payback...
Go find the DoD orders before, where he talks about the talks with Rolbap. Later both said that was a mistake but... we're not that dummy...
well, all the information i have is that spain is forced to keep maine and the usa territories.
Great article,
voted
"At a time when TWO is the only alliance organized as such, and the world is going through a new geo-political transformation, it is important not to let this conflict be used as the new alignments that could cause sudden severe fractures within the alliance."
Precisely. TWO's enemies are already exploiting this conflict to push their agendas through and try to manipulate specific communities to join their side(s). For example USA or Croatia. Stop this madness, time to get an agreement going benefiting both sides.
We are small and insignificant and we don´t have powerfull allies like TWO. But never forget that ASGARD is an alliance.
And we never forget.
And we fight hard.
And our democratic values are very, very strong.
Be carefull.
We have friends all over the world.
didnt saw you that interested in the ukrainian conflict huh
Great article. Voted
We will give you hell before we fall! I swear by my country!
No to Bullying! Respected us! We are not slaves!
Great article. Voted
Spend all your money, dear xD
Wait for tons of RWs :33
you will spend more than us... and what you will win won't be enough to repay it. You initiated a war for greedy and petty purposes, and will you get nothing for it.
Say that to eSpanish government, I'm just making fun with all this mess 😃
hell yeah! We are no puppets! and even if we fall, ill keep giving bloody hell to them mark my words
votado
" If they can reach an agreement, that is always good. But it appears Portugal isn't interested in that anymore."
Funny how the POTUS tries to manipulate the opinion of his citizens. I guess erep copycats real life...
v+s 😉
bit biased but that is to be expected 😃
Votado
Totalmente de acordo com praticamente todos os CP's, excepção feita, ao CP dos USA que está com os olhos tapados totalmente, mas enfim, compreende-se, pois está apenas a olhar para o seu umbigo, e querendo manter a Espanha dominada para que consiga ter as suas restantes regiões de volta (apenas não precisava seguir a opinião trapalhona que mandaram para cima da mesa como argumento de começar a guerra. Tente se informar melhor, ou pelo menos não siga a mentira, porque mesmo que a mentira seja dita muitas vezes, ela não se vai tornar verdade.).
Quanto ao conflito, Espanha é arrogante demais para sentar e conversar afim de estabelecer relações, eles acham sempre que podem tudo pela força, ameaçando os demais, e achando que se estariam a humilhar, se fossem agora falar e chegar a um acordo.
Mas aconselho a por esses sentimentos de lado, e a chegar a um entendimento que não prejudique as duas partes, para que se consiga seguir em frente, seja esse qual caminho for.
Excelente Artigo o/
Voted
Totally agree with almost all CPs, except at the CP of the USA who has her eyes covered completely, but anyway, it is understood, as it is only looking at your navel, and wanting to keep Spain dominated so you can other regions have their back (just do not need to follow the opinion that clumsy sent to the table as an argument to start the war. Try to become better informed, or at least do not lie, because even if the lie is told often she will not become true.).
As for the conflict, Spain is too arrogant to sit and talk in order to establish relationships, they always think they can all by force, threatening others, and thinking it would be humiliating if they were now talking and come to an agreement.
But advise for those feelings aside and come to an understanding that does not harm the two parties, so that they can move on, which is that path is.
Great Article o/
y las tres veces que os devolvimos las originarias anteriormente que?, vais a tiraros borrados hasta que se nos borre de la memoria esto, preguntar a vuestro mofa que le han borrado por multicuentas.
Another great article from you Nuno. You wrote everything I think about this war. Obviously, voted!
v.
Although I've no love for TWO, it's great to see smaller countries stand their ground against more ePowerful neighbours. Kudos to ePortugal for that.
Many of you have established strong diplomatic relationships over the years (oldfgs 😛) and it brings you support when you call.
Great article, and interesting to hear your thoughts.
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http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/dia-1471-dia-2183-quot-d-eacute-j-agrave-vu-quot--2339511/1/20
who cares...you have made a big deal out of this war...it is a war game and go and fight there,don't you just cry like a psses even when you win....
Por desgracia estoy de acuerdo con el articulo, un país ePortugal, que esta haciendo esfuerzos por entrar en la misma alianza que eEspaña, tiene que sufrir la humillación de ser tratado como un país enemigo? Que clase de de diplomacia es esa?
Lo justo habría sido devolver todas las regiones originales y llegar a un acuerdo por aquellas que son necesarias para eEpaña mantener sus lazos con las regiones de bonus de América. Pero un trato igual de beneficioso para ePortugal, como tener regiones españolas que les aporten bonos a ellos y que eEspaña tiene repetidas.
Aunque es mas cómodo ir de matones de barrio y amenazando con una guerra.
That is a good agreement for both parts, i think Portugal can accept that, the problem is in the spanish side 😉
Hola Nehs, cuando yo fui CP de Portugal intenté obtener algunas regiones repetidas, por ejemplo, Espania tenia 3 aluminious y nos podian devolver Norte, pero como los bullies que son, no quisieron, siempre con la misma respuesta: "Para que negociar algo que podemos tenerlo de gratis?" lol
Tengo entendido que se os dieron muchos beneficios, además, rompisteis el tratado y os quedasteis Norte sin arreglarlo, o sin redactar un nuevo tratado. Por lo tanto, rompisteis el viejo tratado al no devolverlo
si, somos matones, en las proximas semanas lo vais a ver.. tres veces os hemos devuelto las originarias, no pasara otra vez.. tanto decir que somos los malos ahora lo vamos a ser.
Turkey - Eldarion Sionnodel
1 - Portugal has our full support because we don't like bullies.
AND THEN GOES AND NE IRAN
Murican CP: 'If they can reach an agreement, that is always good. But it appears Portugal isn't interested in that anymore.'
LOL
This eUS asslicking of Spain has reached epic proportions
Because the CP of Spain, told him to speak well of Spain so maybe he returned Maine XP
Listen...
Let me tell u something...
I like this kind of articles, makes comunity start public conversation about some questions...
Thx for asking me for an opinion 😉
vote & shout 😉
saludos y suerte
THE GREEK PEOPLE SUPPORT PORTUGAL !
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-greek-people-support-portugal--2340229/1/20
Howly is still a gentleman. Voted, great article.
A clear view of the facts. Voted.
Voted, Great Article o7