[Seanan] My Thoughts: Irish Referendum
Seanan
Lets keep it short&sweet (lol),
Yesterday I didn't login as there was a pressing blonde in need of pressing, so a little late on giving my opinion about Ireland's upcoming choice in this referendum. There are some aspects I'd like cover 1) Why I'm Voting NO and 2) Why You Should Also.
This is not my advise as a Minister, its purely personal challenge to the fundamental attitudes Ireland has in choosing her foreign policy but quite frankly, last time Ireland had a vote on a referendum I said nothing and the vote went uncontested to choose an alliance I voted against.
Edit: After attending a meeting of the proposed alliance yesterday, I explored the military capacity of the proposed alliance - read about it here. Key change in position to this article: The proposed alliance is a viable option for Ireland from a strategic preceptive, although Sirius still represents the best security. Do not be swayed by my opinion alone - explore the subject.
I am voting NO to the eloquently named "Bulgaria-Chile-Macedonia-Indonesia-Russia-Germany-Paraguay-Mexico" alliance because I will be voting YES to pursuing membership with Sirius (SPoland-Cro-US-UK) along side Albania and Bosnia.
Why?
For one, I like the name Sirius. Two, Sirius is actually a formed alliance and not a "likely to form" alliance. Three, it makes perfect sense for Ireland.
There should be no pussyfooting around the issue. The.. I'm just going to call it the "Etc etc Alliance".. has members which Ireland likes, all of them - those guys are cool but its still going to be a support alliance to Sirius.
You may be told that it will have an "independent HQ"; this game only works in two major blocks, blue v red. You're either pro-SPoland or pro-Serbia at this moment in time. The choice between Sirius and Etc Etc is a choice between Navy Blue and Baby Blue, understand sailor? Its a natural progression of two groups coordinating against a common enemy to be incorporated into eachother, either formally or informally. My message is that we cut the inefficiencies of separate HQs, and simply encourage these nations pursue a super block with Sirius so the actual matter at hand can be properly addresse
😛ruining Serbia's day.
The barrier I see to joining Sirius instead of Etc Etc is that we're friends with every member of Etc Etc, whilst with Sirius we have a couple friends but mostly just amiable relations. However, Navy Blue or Baby Blue, we're going to be following the lead of this alliance 'block' more than likely headed by the dipole of the alliance struggle: SPoland.
And I'm thinking forward. I do not want to ally with Serbia, and if Baby Blue eventually splinters and turns to pro-Serbia... we're either allying with Serbia out of necessity or pursuing Sirius well past when it might of been cool to join. Etc etc is a large group without a solid regional stronghold (i.e. tons of bloody fronts), history teaches us that doesn't often work - I am sceptical about its sustainability as much as I was sceptical about CUA's sustainability.
And that's the sort of situation I feel is being repeated. An uneven footing being pursued because someone asked us to join. Ireland sticks by our friends, sure - but doesn't mean putting our neck on the line every single time.
It's been mentioned about joining an alliance which is directly attacking our brother Canada... well considering Canada has MPP'd Serbia and we're voting between Pro-SPoland Navy Blue & Pro-SPoland Baby Blue... directly or indirectly, we're fighting against Canada. A horrific fact, but its true. Will I fight against Canada? No. I expect a great many in the United Kingdom won't fight against Serbia either, at least not aggressively (but most are keeping quiet about that, unlike us).
I feel for Canada, I am sad that they MPP'd Serbia because otherwise might of found a way for them to be on amiable relations with Sirius - but there is still a reason why I have Irish citizenship, and I can't be to blame for them MPPing one of the few countries I enjoy fighting. We're helping them not be completely buggered over, just like we were with Portugal - the United States is having some fun, its not overly 'Sirius' (oh ho ho) so we're helping to even the odds a bit, but in the end, US is also our friend and we have a sake in improving their military capability by renting regions for their weapon production (or least, we will likely re-implement the arrangement once Cupid's Annoying RW Mission ends).
We are continuing to handle these conflicts between our friends with pride and class by supporting defensively, but there should be no illusion that many of our friends have made their choice and we need to make our own.
I've said my piece as an individual, I have no qualm in being open with it. My last comment is a slight rebuke for my boss;
Dear Don Croata,
Boss and Buddy 'ol Pal - In the referendum article you say VOTING NO is a Vote for Neutrality. Your reasoning is that the Dail/Congress gave a majority approval for this referendum and we'd need to pursue another lead if rejected.
That is out right misleading.
1) Voting NO means we DO NOT pursue the Etc Etc Alliance.
The next referendum would then be asking about pursuing Sirius.
It is NOT a vote for neutrality.
Rejecting the next referendum would be.
2) Counting all votes on whether to put up the "Etc Etc Referendum" or "Sirius Referendum" first; the Dail voted 54% in favour of Etc Etc and 46% in favour of Sirius. That vote was won by 2 votes, and 1/3 of the Dail did not vote.
These figures tell me that the debate is ongoing and there are those who need convincing either way, but we are far from a 'sure thing' in public opinion and we are far from neutral; we are pro-SPoland in one way or another. However, I still believe the referendum has been run fairly - but in the case of rejection, there should be another referendum on pursuing membership with Sirius.
If the Nation Rejects the Referendum for Bulg-Chl-Mkd-etc-etc, then the Nation will have a vote on Sirius. The Dail has not given a clear preference. That is the message to the voters.
Comments
megamaxxx!!!
As always a great article Seanan, I think that Don Croata should of said that the Dail vote was only won by 2 votes in his article because it is slightly misleading to just say the majority when it was so close.
both alliance are tied in that poll
as small as our Dail is, anything other than a super majority is going to be close
about the only thing with a vast majority seems to be the choice of not pursuing any form of alliance with Asteria
Aye the message on the no vote was a tad bit misleading.
Yeah I should probably correct myself. Voting "No" means staying neutral until the next option comes up on referendum, if this one doesn't win the majority.
Nice article, this is kind of debate I'd always like to see here. I'm still in opinion Bg/Chile is the best option for us, knowing everything which happens, I'm pretty sure that you'd agree with me after ~15mins chat 😛
" but in the case of rejection, there should be another referendum on pursuing membership with Sirius."
That's planned too. We'll just have to see if it's gonna be Sirius.
Join us in Asteria and together we can rule the eUK as father and son.
I agree with Seanan here, and I voted no in the referendum yesterday.
Sirius is the alliance we really want to be in... it's the alliance that offers a) equal voting for all members b) the ultimate security of damage output...
In terms of the countries in each alliance... tbh I like Sirius better at the end of the day... they have more of a damage oriented mind set, but they also are a lot more dependable and stable. Bg/Chile has some of my favourite countries, but also a few who have earned a reputation for being drama queens as far as I'm concerned.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Seanan.
Cheers \o/
I'm glad you gave a sirius and considered answer o7
Smirks thing is you completely supported Don Croata and this is exactly how he runs referendums. You cannot back out now "your leader" had decided we will join the "peanut" alliance(size wize) and you as person that brought him here and uplifted him is morally obliged to support him.Also about the blonde your boyfriend is blonde?
lol you don't get the message of this article?
its like george carlin said you voted the guy in you dont get to criticize his actions. or said in other words you made your bed you sleep in it.
There weren't any other options on the ballot, and yes we still do get a say after he has been elected hence a referendum.
no if you supported him and his pto you dont . there is no point. seanan and you guys helped him to bring all the cromegas here so no you sold your rights and they will decide for you.
Not sure what ant hive you hail from, RTK - but me and Don are from EA. The party which promotes individual thought based on merit&logic and is against factional camping, EA members are the most critical audience an EA candidate will ever face - because we're awesome, and you're a sheep.
seanan i think it took so much effort for you last nite because of your irish parts that you still dont have all the blood back in your head. that or you may be the most delusional muppet still in existence, miss piggy. if you really think that about the pto of ireland you might belief in the tooth fairy still as well and i make a habbit to move slowly away backwards from them not turning my back on them ...
It's hard to see UK and Ireland friends :3
I'm not sure I could get that drunk....
You can't get that drunk.
But it's easy to see us as colleagues.
Believe it or not, international diplomacy isn't about bromance.
Indeed, like Turkey and Greece by the past
true, if we could just turn the island to our east into a white spot on the map, relations would definitely improve
With Northern Ireland ofc 😛
I agree. I agree. And I still agree.
i'v been swayed
voted, good points
should have published it sooner 😛
Hopefully people who voted "yes" will re-vote with "no".
The vote counters can verify the correct vote with a PM.
my vote
here is a bit of news for you seanan. Nobody cares . Nobody really care about what opinion you have . Nobody care about being swayed. You are an orc muppet and one that would sell regions of ireland in a heartbeat which is probably your motivation here.
take yourself and the cromegas and all your orc scum and get the out of my country. out out out!
1. He's opposing Cr0mega
2. Your country? loled son, loled.
what are you talking about brian boru? im from Ireland in the game erepublik. are you a minister in rl? would we appoint the loser seanan 15 times in rl to minister of defence appoint anyone of your to cp not after they completed the pshychological screening. you were not even eBorn here . out out out bory out out.
Yes, I was eBorn here lol
ah so you answered your own objection if the leave eIreland they may still in rl Ireland so im will within my right to ask for their voluntary removal.
good article, voted
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boated
I agree with everything you say, Seanan. I hope others read this article and change their "yes" votes to "no"s
When traitor lover, thief fan and referendum faker like Bhane says no then the right choice must be yes....not that a care about it....
'voted
Poor article with nothing of any real substance.
I wasn't going to vote, because it was a case of voting for the least worse choice, but I've thought some more and voted Yes to The Third Way. There's no way I want to be in an alliance with Argentina nor UK/USA, but we just may be able to eventually attract our friends to join us, plus I can happily continue to fight against UK.
Vote The Third Way.