[Presidency] WAR vs URUGUAY
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Since I've been CP, there has been a lot that has happened.
We went into the Training War with Brazil looking for some fights and something to do. After we had regained Western Cape, Steven Bosch and Grimstone both received PM's from Uruguayan citizens asking for a Training War with them next.
Knowing how this has gone in the past, I approached Brazil, asking for a Region Swap so that we could have War games with Uruguay that were less risky, after the one between us and Brazil is over. Brazil, knowing that there would have to be some renegotiating, accepted, to my surprise, (You know I've been skeptical of them in the past) and we worked HARD as a country to regain Western Cape.
We wanted fights, we wanted this TW with Uruguay, we were willing to swap regions, which means we'll have to eventually have another Training War with Brazil to "Fix" everything. This was okay too, just so long as we got another Training War. Since the region swap and the Peace with Brazil, citizens in South Africa have been working and producing at a loss, but this was okay, because we were going to have another Training War with Uruguay.
After our TW is all cleaned up and I posted my "Thanks for Fighting" article, I received this message:
I sent the last message shortly before proposing the NE on day 1885.
That was a courtesy, letting them know that this wasn't a game where they go back and forth on us. Much like most TW's with Brazil, we get wiped and then RW the appropriate regions. I wanted a give and take. We take their region, they RW back. They take Western Cape, we RW back. Sounds like a reasonable "War Game" to me.
When I proposed the Natural Enemy, their cabinet was irate. They were angry that we did not coordinate enough, claiming they did not know about this. They expressed that if we were going to do War Games that they would not lose their region or it would be seen as "An Act of War"
Then this article appears from their government. (Google Translate)
Ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to greet you. This is the Bulletin No. 4 of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
As you all know we have overcome the conflict with our "Chilean friends," even that we were piecing RW abruptly when a proposal before us to bring a WG NE South Africa we launched a
http://www.erepublik.com/es/main/law/South-Africa/122338
This matter was handled by other strange and messages that I had sent from MOFA was answered with this action, the rumors that they were keeping border to invade us before the conflict with Chile now rumors are added from CoT.
This action of SA was supported by a newspaper article which let us see that there was potential for us to lose "Charrua" and reinforced with a MP sent to the MoFA cabinet where it was said that if we lost Charrúa we should not "angry" and they will not be angry if we were we won some territory. For them then we "help recover"
CP quickly, accompanied by the MoFA and MoD met with their counterparts from SA in IRC where we let see if this was really a WG, SA could not win that battle because we were not ready to be occupied or lose our territory . There were extensive discussions and there seemed to be obstacles to understand,
Uruguay made it clear that losing our territory would consider an act of war and would act accordingly, the only visible reaction was rapid disappearance of the press article which pulled its part of the War.
Gentlemen always seems that fate has in store for our small country and we are epic battles at the door of what could be an epic betrayal and a historic battle
As you can see, we handled the situation appropriately. I took the message waiting for a "Positive Response" as a "We are ready" from them and proposed the NE. Now they are going back on the deal that we have worked SO hard to make happen. They are saying that our MPPs to keep the battle even are for nothing. Our loss of bonuses doesn't matter, because they don't want to have a "Fair" War Game.
To me, it sounds like they are looking for a War. Not Games, Not Training, but and actual War. I say when this Natural Enemy Proposal is Official, that we show them why they should not mess around with South Africa!
Dignity First!
Dignity Forever!
Dignity in South Africa!
Claudio Kilgannon
Country President
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Voted. It;s sad it has come to this, if they want a war they going to get one!
I might consider fighting if it has come to this! o7
Let's kick some Uruguay ass
Dont sound like the Yoruguas I gotten to know during my stay there
Finally. Roar!
Oh goody, here we go!
I'm up for kicking some U-R-GAY ass
Here we lets kick some ass
We are ready.
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Claudior's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Rico by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
Dignity First!
I know Festivus is over but I'm up for some Feats of Strength seeing as the Uruguayans have Aired their Grievances!
Well done Mr President!
o7
Bring it on!
Dignity first, Dignity forever
well done, eager to fight for South Africa
Let's put em to the sword! If they want a real war we'll give it to them.
Dignity first! Dignity forever!
Let them taste the black fist! HAHAHA
"As you can see, we handled the situation appropriately"
You really think that? You send an NE after gently rejected our proposal to do a WG without asking or talking with us at all? Don't sounds appropriate to me.
I've beeing in the organization of the lasts WG between our countries and I can assure you this is NOT THE WAY to do it.
Like I said to you yesterday, I don't want to see our countries in war since we've been good friens since ever, but I repeat this is not the way to do things. You can't decide a WG, when and how without asking the other country.
For example: the way to do things that you propose is a fail. If one of us attacks and conquer, we have to whait for the RW to then propose NE again and attack again, when we can have 2-3 wars in that time doing things well like we had in the past.
But no, you had to do it the hard and bad way. I hope sincerely that all this end in the best way, but in this circunstances we can't accept losing Charrúa so, you know all the rest.
Regards
Let's have some fun o7
We're behind you Mr president
Fresh Meat !
I'm smelling some big time fun. Like Stephan IV says, we're behind you Claudio
Stop all the clutter.
They're all shouting on both sides. Also you can talk as friendly countries too guys.
This is a WG! Born as a WAG dont make it a Real War
What we do not want is to lose our territory. Can we arrange this???
From what I know and read this is a complete balls up, Uruguay who have been long time friends with us are clearly not happy about this,i'm all for fighting but this could have been handled a lot better. Our desire to step into the outside world should not taste so sour. We have upset friends and allies, especially a fellow small nation like Uruguay
They are not jumping into things looking for a war, you Claudio are !!!
Think about the repercussions this will have on our relations with Uruguay in the future and maybe deal with the CP as well as his cabinet when organizing a training war. This stinks of broken telephone / miscomunication and a he said, she said argument which has now turned into a "Dont do that or you'll have a real war." from both sides.
^ the above was said with the utmost respect to our CP, as he knows we are friends and I only mean to constructively criticize him, I'm sure a lot of work and time has gone into this but somewhere along the line the threads pulled lose and it looking messy now.
Keep up the good work Claudio
@Badger: I too see Uruguay as friends. But they contacted us 10 days ago about a training war. We told them we were busy with eBR training war. When we finish we will start training war. Now that we start it they say we betraying them and they know nothing about it
Their CP releases an article stating we betraying them and it's act of war etc etc. Fact remains their government contacted us on more than one occasion.
I know many good people in URU who say their cp is an ass....
I hope it turns out to be a Training War, if Not We will fight. If Uru loose their region we will help RW which is what we said, Besides we need to loose WC to move our capital, which is why we agreed to Training war.
Realistically this can only be a TW, eBr wants WC back and we, eSA wants Free State back, and URU wants their region, so there is no reason for URU to worry, our current regions will return to what it was before any TW.
The more we fight the better for our growth, both nations, We can fight as friends or we can fight as enemies, but clearly we ARE going to FIGHT.
I understand the logistics of what happened, but to blame them entirely is so short sighted. Maybe there CP is an Ass but that does not change how we should behave in response to him being an ass. Let them throw the first stone if they want a war, they wont know what hit them.
But to sit throwing warnings and threats from across the sea(keyboard) is not how South Africans behave least of all the CP.
I agree with you Badger06. What's done is done. I don't know who told that of our CP but really don't care.
I can speak as MoD and said that if you want to lose WC it's much more simple to do. You attack us but don't win, so we have the chance to counter attack on WC. If you want to lose it quickly we can arrange to win and lose RW then, or lose so you can counter attack us and so..
The thing is that we don't want to lose Charrúa (specially in the conditions that all this thing went) so it's not to complicate to ask you to respect our country decision here.
+1 @Rexdeus
Mr. President.
This looks like a broken telephone.
Can we discuss this as a government executive cabinet of two countries. Or should we do as people crazy by shouts??
We want a WG. excellent
We do not want to lose "Charrua"
We do not want to take any region of SA
Can we stop the madness of news crossed with accusations and agree on the coordination of the WG?
Thanks a lot
@Uruguay, we cannot guarantee you wont loose Charrua, we cannot control mpp damage. If Charrua is lost, we will assist with Uruguay to RW Charrua as discussed last night!
I will never support a war with Uruguay.
@Enbaros: That's cause you never online 😛
I will support a war with Uru!
This sounds like a very poorly executed wargame. Too rash. Plus me thinks I've earned the right to be grumpy.
SA and Uruguay have always been friends, the new world landscape has changed and we have to be very cautious with our only region, losing it just for a WG is not easy, doesn´t mean things can´t be talked out.
I consider SA friends, we had greats WGs before, let´s just do that again.
SDS
I accept all the criticisms that you guys want, after all you can't please everybody. But the facts are these:
1- we went to Brazil first, then SA asking for a WG. The first country didn't get back to us, we took it like: ok, we're helping Argentina, they don't want to talk now kinda thing. South Africa "politely" refuse to do it and I quote because their answer wasn't neither friendly nor seamed eager to have one in the future.
2- I receive the notification of SA NE, no communication at all from SA CP and what is worst, he sends a PM to my MoFA saying that the did it for a WG but they cannot be held responsible for us loosing our region... Wtf? And you call this a friendly WG?? It looks more like somebody is doing the dirty work for another neighboring country. USA mpp with you two/three days ago, USA trial member now of CoT, friends with Chile and Brazil.
So you tell me Claudio how it looks??? What is that bull.... Of not controlling the MPP damage????
I'm sorry it has come to this, but the context as the intentions look far more "trickier" than it seems.
Best Regards,
Leochao
CP Uruguay
@ Leochao we almost always MPP USA, Brazil and Australia every month.
If we wanted to wipe you we would. By harping on about our MPP's you make us seem untrustworthy. Have we ever betrayed Uruguay no, we always have friendly training Wars.
This is just a mis-communication and do not bring up our intentions again. You want to be friends but say you cant trust us.
@Leochao You think that you would have kept your regions in a training war with Brazil? Their 2-clickers would have wiped your little petty nation, so stop making up stories and start acting like a president.
edward you only have 3 months so shut up pls!
ROLL TIDE
@jmanya
Actually, his first account was banned and hacked. (http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1906738)
You have no idea how terrible it is to lose a strong account like that.
Also why are we the bad guys in all of this? You wanted a TW, we were busy. We wanted a TW war, you didn't want to lose your region.
HAIL KRIMPIE, KRIMPIE, YOU RULE (Y)
We could coordinate at least at what time the attack will be launched ??????????
Please . . .
@Leochao as Badger has explained, you mistrusting us and wanting to be friends can not work.
Yes, we may take your region, but Brazil has wiped us in War games in the past. We simply RW them back. We stated we intended on having War Games, a clean back and forth. With us helping you RW back regions. If you can't trust us to return your country, can we trust you to take part of ours? I promised you that attacks would stop close to congress elections so that we would guarantee you a congress, but apparently that wasn't enough.
Leochao seems a little agitated. He wants WAR, give him war. he is obviously not wanting to resolve matters. All posts by him are seem against resolution. We can wait full 24hours for the auto attack. i mean if we wanted to destroy u we would have pushed the button already.
@Uruguay, Speak to your CP, he is making ppl upset and will be the cause of destruction!
@jmanya I'm here since the beta you noob so please shut up 😁
Lot's of jumping the gun this term I see. I'm all for a TW, but you can't just say "Hey, we can't be held responsible for you losing your region". If that's the case, why didn't we just have Uruguay attack first? Claudio already said losing WC is not a big deal not to mention it could close the TW right there if things look too out of control.
And, really, have any of you guys looked at the map? You can't say "YEAH WE WANT WAR" when both sides can only lose one region as a result of said war. I mean, really now, use your heads.
Thanks Seisan, he's right everyone. Let's put our hands in our pockets and walk home. Orchestrating a TW is what we did. We were asked to pursue one, so we did. Now they are taking back their offer. I wouldn't have given a second thought to losing WC as I trust Uruguay as an ally. That's not how it happened because we were approached for a Training War so I got it started.
It's easy for you to sit with your hands under your desk, twiddling your thumbs apparently, but when our allies start mistrusting us and denying us what we have been planning, whether it's ONE region or six, it's War.
Usually you are sharp and insightful Seisan, but now I'm starting to think that you are just a cynic, who has been living in a stagnant country for too long.
It's a known factor when we go into a Training War with Brazil that we will probably face a wipe. If you are a country with one region, PLANNING a TW, then you should expect to lose that region as some point during that TW. I made note of it simply so it was on the record, as we don't have too many training wars with them. We are going into this for a training war, but if we win their region they will declare actual War on us? That sounds a little unfair if you ask me...
This war will be entertainment for both sides. I can't believe the number of eSouth Africans whining over this. President Kilgannon is trying something different. Enjoy the activity it will spawn!
Also, we may conquer Uruguay but we definitely won't be douchebags about it.
Voted. Lets have a little fun.