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~ OF IRC LOGS AND MEN: HONOUR AND RESPECT ~

Day 1,872, 11:38 Published in India Turkey by Roger Griswald


In the recent spirit of publishing logs and screen caps I would like to take the opportunity to share one of my own. While I do have logs that are juicy and misleading I will not share them as I am not actually interested in the PR war that is being waged. Instead I would like to share an exchange that I had with a eIndian citizen who decided to move here and was accepted only a few days ago.

As is my normal course of action, I wrote to him to try to clarify some points in what can often be a heated exchange in the comments of an article. In the course of our exchange he mentioned that he had no issue with me but that he had “many problems towards [my] MU”. For those of you that do not know, I am a member of the United Aggression. A group of top ranking soldiers that have found friendship and camaraderie in the game through free exchange of ideas, jokes, and a deep respect for each other.

I naturally asked this person I had never met, nor has been an eIndian citizen for more than 4 days why he hated my military unit. His response was as follows:

Same problem as iNCi or DSW:
1) Lack of honour
2) Lack of loyalty
3) Bunch of "mercenaries" who will sell her mother for a few Q7 or gold
4) Lack of national cooperation

My response to this post is exactly why I have been so upset with the change in alliances in eIndia, not because I am a pawn to “my Croatian masters” as our esteemed MoFA has argued (still can’t believe that a member of our government called me that), but that the comment from this person about United Agression could not have been more wrong. Below was my response:

1. Dishonor is screwing over all of your allies because you are pissed at one. ie. f***ing over all of EDEN because of eCroatia.

2. Loyalty is showing that even when mistakes are made and tempers fly, your allies know you will be there for them. ie. not f***ing over EDEN because of eCroatia.

3. Mercenaries are people who will fight for any country; I believe we have proved that we are loyal to our true friends by not fighting for the rashly added new allies. ie. not f***ing over EDEN because of croatia.

4. We have done everything possible to work with the government to bring caution to the situation with eCroatia as we knew that in the end we will be wiped without eCroatia stopping their aggression as CoT will never really fight for us and we needed support from larger EDEN member to intervene. ie. not f***ing over EDEN because of croatia.



I think that eCroatia should have handled the situation better¬ they have been brutish and domineering however I still have no idea why our government decided to stop renting regions to eCroatia, other then to provoke a war. eCroatia should have transferred the regions they promised back, however kicking them out of the country was rash and foolish, as we are where we are now because our government let tempers flare.

I hope that our new allies will actually start fighting for us, I really do, but I am quite confident that they won’t. Regardless of what your perception of the situation is, the facts remain we are losing to eCroatia and I mean loosing bad.

It is not I that has turned against eIndia, I really have not, I do want what’s best for this country as it has so much promise. I am just having trouble keeping up with the numerous alliance shifts of our government and the hourly announcement that we are signing MPPs with CoT and tWo member-eNations when we refused to sign MPPs with EDEN members for the last several months. I am having trouble seeing the forest for the trees, but I don’t think it is because of me, I think it is because our government has no plan. And if they do, please, please, please tell us what it is and engage in a discussion on its merits.

In Solidarity,

Roger Griswald
 

Comments

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,872, 11:55

"I still have no idea why our government decided to stop renting regions to eCroatia, other then to provoke a war."

When we decided to stop renting regions? First of all they stated that they wont pay rent and we kept quiet. Then they NE`d us without a reason!

"when we refused to sign MPPs with EDEN members for the last several months"

We just thought that we dont need them as they are very expensive. We tried signing some (5) but then Croats attacked us. Yes our prio was to ask EDEN for help, but we knew that they wont care as we are not member anymore.

Please stop this BS will you?

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,872, 12:02

Vlad right on time, I had a bet with someone that you would be first. And here you are. I can completely guarantee you 100% that the above contains no BS. So yes I will stop the BS just for you, oh and for the rest of eIndia.

OVALNI REBORN
OVALNI REBORN Day 1,872, 12:02

bad Croats, bad!
they have not enough e-enemies so they decided to attack India with no apparent reason.
grow yourself a spine, Vladimir.

Mr Jim Moriarty
Mr Jim Moriarty Day 1,872, 12:03

The relationship with Croatia is over as far as I'm concerned but can we stop talking shit?

Roger has some genuine concerns and we would do well to pay attention to alternative views.

It's true that we didn't sign MPP's for a few reasons: Costs, Priorities and Turkey, but how do we justify signing with Japan and Peru?

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,872, 12:12

CPs of both of these countries mailed us that they would be glad to help. They wanted to defend India and we could not reject those offers.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,872, 12:16

Leaving aside the many issues that arose from the Indian side...

This is all about small picture Croatia and not big picture Croatia. This is about a government in Croatia that handled a crisis with gross incompetence. Croatia > EDEN. If EDEN countries stopped thinking about 'what's good for me, and then what's good for my country' and started thinking 'what's good for EDEN' we might have a more balanced world.

That's not to say EDEN have been anything other than rubbish in the last few months

Muglack
Muglack Day 1,872, 12:23

Congratulations India, you're the second eCountry that "United Aggression" has stabbed in the back and tried to play like the good guys.

You have more in common with eCanada than I thought.

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,872, 12:25

Mugsy you old dog, its been months since last we fought. You still got you head up Rolo's a**? Its good to see you ol' boy. As a reminder, United Agression didn't exist when I lived in eCanada,

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,872, 12:25

Yeah Muglack we are having a serious problem here... Need deratisation

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,872, 12:39

Vlad you called me a spy in a PM, are you serious?

Leo Balzac
Leo Balzac Day 1,872, 12:50

where UAgg goes, trouble follows. Look at the state of the eUS now

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,872, 13:01

lol Light of Palaero, yes its def the group of 15 tanks that crippled the mighty eUSA. Jokes are funny.

Exalted Druid
Exalted Druid Day 1,872, 13:03

eIndia was suppose to haven for UAgg from all this kind of crap. Boy did they pick the wrong country. Self destruct sequence initiated.

Plugson
Plugson Day 1,872, 15:32

It's an odd coincidence, yet still likely coincidental that bad luck follows certain people.
Here's hoping eIndia doesn't have to pull itself apart anymore than necessary to resolve the current crisis

"1) Lack of honour
2) Lack of loyalty
3) Bunch of "mercenaries" who will sell her mother for gold
4) Lack of national cooperation"
btw, it seems that many players attack others for these reasons listed above. I remember similar rhetoric/accusations being used in the EPCvsCanada incident. Seems that people get entrenched on opposite sides when they have an axe to grind or a strong opinion/value to defend. I suppose that's what makes the game both interesting and unfortunate at the same time.

ultimatewinner
ultimatewinner Day 1,872, 15:56

Roger, what are you trying to prove here? Are you with eIndia or not. Say yes or no and move on. What eCroatia has done is plain wrong and stupid.

MohanB
MohanB Day 1,872, 20:09

Roger, stop writing these flaming articles and try to stir up the pot again and again...

After all this, we are not going to have any relations with Croatia (EDEN)... that is the fact... live with it or leave

The fact we had less EDEN mpp was that we were locked between croatia and china and who ideally wud not have NE'd us.. we were selective to save on cost but still have allies campaigns to do DO...
there is nothing fishy abt it...

Why we have so many NE's, coz we are having an NE issue with Croatia. that only takes common sense to understand we need more MPP's from other alliances to take on a big power like Croatia...

Stop cribbing and start contributing constructive thoughts in articles rather than beating up the old story...

shreyash_wadiwala
shreyash_wadiwala Day 1,872, 20:39

I am completely agree with "ultimatewinner" && "MohanB"'s comment....

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,872, 20:56

I am sorry that I want our government to show a plan or idea of what they are doing? i guess it is too much to ask for.

vigorious
vigorious Day 1,873, 23:09

roger you know that, I normally dont comment on article and there is no money missing in CBI, CP took money to transfer money in CBI and he transferred some money in treasury and rest money he have himself and will transfter day 1873.

I dont understand why you guys dont ask directly finance minister i.e. ME, or CP, you guys just start blamming. we were talking yesterday in IRC why did not you asked me where is money.

Exalted Druid
Exalted Druid Day 1,873, 00:23

Nothing to see here folks, everything is under control. No bonuses, no congress, everything is fine. Our enemies are our new best friends. Just waiting for the wave to hit.

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,873, 00:24

Oh jesus you have sent me 8 straight mails in my inbox!! Are you nuts? Please stop doing that

Muglack
Muglack Day 1,873, 01:50

"As a reminder, United Agression didn't exist when I lived in eCanada,"

I know it didn't exist. It also didn't exist when you tried to be the "Big Man" in Albania.

But while you were out in the world trying to do God's work the rest of the rabble that makes up your MU decided to name CFovetS (the third most destructive person in eCanadian history) some sort of walking Saint and help him carry his banner of fail around the globe.

The fact this "trouble" has followed you to India is no surprise to me. In fact when it was announced that you would be moving to India I made a request to our then MoFA to warn India about accepting you and that it would be in there best interest to deny your citizenship requests.

I bet they're regretting not listening now.

Graf Sprat
Graf Sprat Day 1,873, 04:04

@Roger.. Moeny CAN be xfered to treasury if needed. Let me know if you want to know how in a PM or irc (my nick is graf on irc)

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Day 1,873, 04:57

Sorry, but I think that guy was eIndian for more than 4 days, more like 40 or 50.

Jin Yang
Jin Yang Day 1,873, 07:05

v

hail EDEN!!!

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,873, 08:44

@Nueveocho, nah I can see exactly when it was approved: http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/India/citizenship/applications/approved/1

Go to the India society page, click on citizenship requests, the click on Approved and then go to the last page. And there it is.

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Day 1,873, 09:58

Is not the first time I get eIndian CS

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,873, 13:08

oh ok, let me know when you got it before and i will edit the article after i check the approval log.

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Day 1,873, 17:18

I was here when Hamturk was CP

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Day 1,873, 17:20

BTW, this article is even more bullshit than the previous one, where were you during the battle vs Cryatia? Because Serbia, Poland, Spain and Bulgaria made a great efford helping us win that war, I guess that CoT and ONE are our true friends, and not EDEN.

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,873, 21:45

Pardon? I did millions in damage today for India. How much did you do?

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,873, 21:48

Also not that I should have to proove it, but here is a screen cap: http://i.imgur.com/any8H.png

Care to share yours?

Hem Sharma
Hem Sharma Day 1,874, 08:37

 
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