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Amen. Hallelujah. Preach it, preacher. WOOOOOHOOOOO!

Be nice if you explain how you came up with the numbers and pictures? especially the dates that things will become unprofitable?

The MoF finally showed some data in the last article, though with no conclusions I had to analyse it myself.

1% extra tax is worth 2000 GBP a day.
That is 60,000 GBP a month or 6 MPPs.

This is looking at the average of the recorded figures for 1%, 2% and 3% while removing data for foreign regions and days we didn't have all of our regions together.

However Alfagrem's point is that in the long term our income may fall as less people will be working because the higher tax makes their companies lose money. I don't have any data on this but the tax data doesn't show a fall so far though it hasn't been a month yet.

We clearly need more data over a month or so to hash this out.

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If 1% change is worth £2,000 then that would imply 1% worktax generates £2,000.

If we pretended WAM didn't count then that means every eUK citzen is paying £5 per day and must therefore be on a wage of £500!?!?!

Obviously that can't be true and WAM in fact counts but how much so?

let's be conservative and give it a minimal value by using the ballpark assumptions of a £40 wage and pretend we have 500 workers....

On 1% tax they contribute £200 per day of that £2,000 or 10% which means 90% of our income tax take is down to people pushing the WAM button.

At the previous rate of 70p per push that means we had about 2,500 WAM clicks spread across RM and Finished goods.

The relation between those clicks can be 2:1 for food or 8:1 for tanks. Let's use the tank figures as tbh we don't make much food due to higher profit in Tanks......

RM WAM = 2222 clicks or £1,555 of your tax take


So (finally) once you lose the profitability of WAM you lose 1.5K per day or 3K per day if you are using 2% tax as baseline.

TL😉R Most of our tax on work comes from RM WAM.

You miss an important point here. Many people just work as manager anyway even if they LOSE money. On the other hand, such LOSS , it's a personal loss, actually it's a country gain. You are supporting the country by paying taxes.

Anyway, since overproduction will rise and rise, in some point the economy will collapse or a bot will be made .

bot used to exist, the shitstorm for past few years is cuz it was turned off 😐

UK is at the first place. I am sick of these selfish entrepreneurs! 😛

A new player with their 3 grain farms is hardly a fatcat!

New players have always relied on state MU. If they respect orders they will get enough food and weapons free.

There are no state run or state funded MU's.

They are all run by 'entrepreneurs' 😛

I don't have any good business' i rely on WM, 2% work tax does not leave me any worse off. Nor any other lowly newbies.

Fatcats undercutting newbies on the market is the biggest problem to being financially stable.

What companies do you WAM in Mar Xist?

All types at the moment due to storage capacity

Well seeing as when we went from 1% to 2% we saw a jump in daily income I'm not so sure that however it breaks down proves that 2% produces less income.

Don't much care either way but it just doesn't appear to have been the case that we lost income going to 2%, infact the opposite.

Well............if people just click WAM as tehy've been doing for months without thinking about the cost then we'll actually make a crapton of cash until they figure out why they are suddenly broke or the game tells them they can't afford to WAM.

people acts without thinking, it happens all the time.

What Alpha said, Never underestimate the power of people mindlessly doing what they always have done.

I doubt the majority of players know if they're daily production is even profitable.

but at the moment your saying only Iron is unprofitable, its hard to imagine our work tax income is greatly dependent on people WAMing iron plants en mass...

You say its going to change and everything else is becoming unprofitable on specific dates but don't explain why? wage hikes? wrm dropping more?

We're using the House+Empire theory in UKPP.

Wages shot up when Houses were introduced some 21 days ago.
That means that we still have about 9 days of average daily wages at £30 to drag the monthly average (the one you see on the economy screen) downwards.

As these anchors fall off the 30 day cycle to be replaced by a higher average daily wages the monthly rate will ofc increase.

Based on the last few days of increases it's expected that at peak our Saltpeter along with Alu, Oil and Iron will become unprofitable and then things will settle down for a few days before you see the spike from the 'build empire' mission when we again had huge wages on offer.

Assuming we don't get another spike from admin introducing top Q houses or another mission.......we should get back to the previous £1 levels a month from now.

You are correct in that we get very small amounts from Iron/Grain and Oil/Fruit (or any other FRM).

We do however have a number of chaps using Alu as recently it was the best option.

Saltpeters also feature heavily as prior to the CC crash they were the best investment.

Then we have Rubber (which should be untouched) which every serious Q7 Tank owner or oldfag will have in abundance.

Teppishc - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-moti-understanding-wam-cost-average-salary-explained--2423709/1/20

Goes into more depth on predicting the trend

I'm confused - If it costs me nothing to work in my own factories, (i've never employed anyone) how could I be losing money?

Let's say you were working in an Aluminium plant.

You lose 10 health doing that so that's £0.37 to replenish that health.
You also have to pay WAM tax (http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-moti-understanding-wam-cost-average-salary-explained--2423709/1/20 )

So if the average wage was for example £200 then that means you have to pay £4 to work there.

4+0.37 = £4.37

However you are making 200 units that you can sell and you choose to make a quick sale at 0.02 which would net you £4.

So your outgoings > Income.

What happens if i am producing my own food? - there is no cost only the theoretical lost revenue from not selling it - I produce more food WAM than I can consume in 1 day so any surplus can be sold for profit and it is the money I get from selling stuff that goes for weapons

Well if we use the same figures, assume we keep picardy and use the FRM equivalent of Alu....Fishery and also that you are making Q5 food as its the most cost efficient............

4 Fisheries give you the req'd RM to WAM and use up 4 food unit costing you a total of £16 in Tax.

You then produce 16 food units of which you've now used 5 to cover your WAM efforts and incurred another tax penalty of £4.

Your total outlay is therefore £20 in tax which you need to recover with your 11 food units.

11 * 0.37 = £4.07

So your daily loss would be just under £16.


Using the actual figures from today........

Outlay £13.37
Recoup £4.07

So today you'd lose £9.3

I am ready to upgrade to Q8s. I also know that when Q8 comes many will rage quit. Mostly players that don't buy gold at all and worked hard to get to Q7. Without them, gold buyers will have no reason to buy gold.
Now excuse me while I go to play some actual games that have more than html and css in their engines and you pay for them only once.

oh and btw, we are now paying 2 CC for WAM bcs average salary is considered to be 100CC. Once it settles down to 40CC, we will be paying 0.8CC which is fine for the most part.

We should be back to that figure by the end of the month at which point putting the tax back to 2% would of been feasible.

However we must grit our teeth and carry on through the month ahead.

I am not worried for you and me (and the likes) but it is true that newcomers and low profile players will be impacted. What I am going to do is to calculate whether is it more profitable to spend wellness on Freedom Fighter medals or on WAM. For now, WAM is better but when Q7 tanks go to 5 CC and WRM to 0.01 I doubt I will be doing WAM.

If we stopped electing CPs who scarper off with the Treasury, we could afford the tax cut! First chewchewshoe, then the bug. A little more care in who we elect could turn this tide.

And now what? Have you seen today's tax for working in the companies?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-moti-understanding-wam-cost-average-salary-explained--2423709/1/20

shut up

It's a fair point, I used a tool to check some months ago, I don't employ peeps atm and the main purpose is to build a pile of tanks. Every few weeks I sell off the WRM for space and now I'm focussing on training have net gain of tanks.

1 alu
10 rub
_______
1 Q7 weap

1 grain
1 hunt
_______
1 Q3 food

If we're really concerned about saving our citizens money, a program of "x30 gold for BH = big ass loss when you 'won' by buying £10 worth of shiny clicks from Plato"