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FIGHT IRELAND!

United Against Indonesian Imperialism!
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As I said, if all neutral countries are fighting together, then that is the definition of a defensive alliance. If an alliance wars against another alliance, then that is a world war. Is that what the people of Ireland want? I thought you wanted neutrality?

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lian keers,
WE are defending a NEUTRAL alliance.

"If all neutral countries are fighting together, then that is the definition of a defensive alliance."

Web Definition of Alliance: "an organization of people (or countries) involved in a pact or treaty"

There is no Treaty or pact. We are fighting for the survival of neutral nations. We did not get involved in the world war as thats between ALLIED states. PEACE seems to disrespect neutrality recently...

If you're all fighting together it's pedantic to claim otherwise. What I am saying is that if Indonesia attacks X alliance and you fight with X then you are making your country an enemy of Indonesia. So far from being neutral in the conflict you are choosing to take a side.

thank..

I can't find a trace of this war.
Can anyone help me by directing me to the in game events?

Voted. And thank you.🙂

Iain it all depends where we stop. Ireland will only fight until the attack is repelled. If we fight to conquer Indonesia then thats taking sides. Were fighting against Indonesia being imperialistic against a neutral country.

"What I am saying is that if Indonesia attacks X alliance and you fight with X then you are making your country an enemy of Indonesia."

We are comprimised neutrality, fighting for the self determination of neutral states regardless of alliance BUT not for any alliance. Also its our last wargames. We payed good gold for the Wargames in Maylasia so were defending them.

At first they came for the Slovakians,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't one.
Then they came for the Malaysians,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't one.
Then they came for me,
And then Sol kicked their ass.

Ireland will defend the other neutral nations. That is the stance we have chosen to take and we will commit

I'm new to eRepublik, so if I'm wrong feel free to correct me; I'm just going off of what I've seen and read so far.
It seems like PEACE is coming up with any excuse to attack neutral nations, as seen with the invasion that Hungary just pulled off (they claimed Slovakia was a puppet government for EDEN as a justification). If we fight supporting Malaysia against a PEACE country, they might use it as an excuse to attack us (my understanding is that we're at a strategic choke point to get to USA, so they probably want a foothold here anyways). I'm not saying we shouldn't help Malaysia, I'm just saying that if we do, we may no longer be seen as neutral by the PEACE countries and should plan accordingly.

If Im not mistaken, this should be a War Council issue.

do we get guns this time

I think they already see us as not being neutral. I find it very curious that each TW has been attacked by PEACE. I suspect if we set up another one that it will be attacked too.

Indo have only declared their INTENTION Rollo, put down the gun and go back to knitting your Macramé holster 🙂

Ian, Ireland follows a policy of neutrality towards inter-alliance action. The way you're talking it's as if we're aggressive towards any nation that's non-neutral.

The mega-alliances can fight amoung themselves without our intervention.... it's when they attack a country that does not wish to be part of the imperial madness that eIreland should step up to defend the weaker state which is being invaded...imho

Malaysia is a neutral country which hosted wargames for almost equal numbers of PEACE and EDEN nations. There is no legitmate reason being put forward for this attack...

If all non-PEACE nations are fairgame for annihilation then won't all the neutral countries just join Brolliance or EDEN for self preservation.

Not so long ago I remember reading a quality Zoli article on how Hungary and PEACE needed to build relations with countries and either move them away from EDEN or towards PEACE.... eIreland and eUK are surely a good example of that ... long may our close relationship continue!

@Edana...... it's kinda ironic since I felt alot of anti-EDEn sentiment around when Poland f*cked up our wargames for a few days. By destroying wargames PEACE are destroying the only outlet many neutral nations have and are solidifying anti-PEACE sentiment for weeks to come.

@Sean Good points.

We can't go without a TW. I really thought we would be covered with two, but they have both been taken out in a very short time. I think we need to look into this further. Something isn't adding up to me.

Yet again, this was a nation HOSTING A TRAINING WAR. This does not make it neutral.

I wish someone would define neutrality in this game. Since I joined I have read that:

-Neutrality means you can't take part in any war.
-Neutrality means you can fight but not against a country that is a member of an alliance.
-Neutrality means you can't join a defensive alliance.
-Neutrality means you can join a defensive alliance as long as the other coutries call themselves neutral.
-Neutrality means you can come to the defense of neutral countries.
-Neutrality means you can fight in any war as long as you don't conquer territory.
-Blah, neutrality, blah, blah, neutrality, blah.

Based on my studies, I think I have a pretty good understanding of diplomatic neutrality. The purpose of neutrality is to avoid future conflict. Let's assume a neutral country could defend another nation and assume it is still neutral. Do you really think that the aggressor nation is going to say "well gee whiz, we deserved that." Hell no. Your neutrality is gone. You will be subject to future attack because of your actions. It's the opposite of neutrality, no matter the good intentions.

A core ideal of neutrality is non-intervention. To retain your neutrality you cannot fight in any conflict other than to defend your borders. It doesn't matter if a country's dictator is killing babies, murdering nuns and lopping the heads of off puppies and kittens. It doesn't matter if Russia attacks Switzerland. If you are a neutral nation you cannot get involved. Switzerland would understand if you don't, after all, as a neutral nation they couldn't come to your defense.

Look, I don't care which direction we go as long as we have a good plan. I just think that saying "TO WAR! IN DEFENSE OF NEUTRALITY!" makes about as much sense as a Quaker pacifist saying "All killing is wrong so we will not take part in any war...except that one."

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Neutrality isn't easy and in eRepublik it may not be fun but I don't think we should be calling ourselves neutral if we really aren't...unless all the other neutral countries in eRepublik have different definitions of what neutrality is. If so, we're just as cracked in the head as they are.

"If so, we're just as cracked in the head as they are."
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I think we are 🙂.
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And Sean is right - but it's also true that a truly "neutral nation" wouldn't get involved in other people's wars. That doesn't mean a nation can't be part of one war, for whatever reason good or bad, and still be "neutral" in a conflict between others...

It makes sense to me because its the only way I can get people in this country to fight in a real war

"That doesn't mean a nation can't be part of one war, for whatever reason good or bad, and still be "neutral" in a conflict between others..."

Except that neutrality is not conditional. A nation declares its own neutrality and then has to abide by it. You are either neutral all of the time or none of the time. You can't have it both ways.

"It makes sense to me because its the only way I can get people in this country to fight in a real war."

Then eRepublik neutrality has a different definition than in real life diplomacy. And that's OK. I just wonder if every other eRepublik nation that calls itself neutral shares the same concept.

Personally, I wish we'd just get rid of the term entirely and call ourselves a sovereign nation that will decide democratically when and if we get involved in a conflict. We can remain independent or a part of an alliance but we won't be flying the neutrality flag just because we refuse to get involved in every war that takes place.

That's why I said we probably can't call ourselves a "neutral nation". Doesn't mean we can't keep out of other people's wars 🙂. And yes it may well be the wrong term 😃.

I do not understand how hosting a training war makes a country lose their neutrality. Is what PEACE is saying is that neutral nations cannot prepare for war? So essentially they are declaring war on all of us involved.

We need training wars to do what else? Train! We are keeping our neutrality because these are TRAINING wars. We are using them because we do not want to declare REAL war... but it looks like PEACE is making that decision for us.

I do not see how someone can justify their actions. If it because they see us as leaning EDEN this is not the way to go about it. Just to make sure if we were to join an alliance, it would not be PEACE. I would like to think eIreland is a better nation then these imperialists.

"That's why I said we probably can't call ourselves a "neutral nation". Doesn't mean we can't keep out of other people's wars 🙂. And yes it may well be the wrong term 😃."

On this we agree. I just think it's funny that we are contemplating defending another nation yet still want to call ourselves neutral. I can imagine how the post-war discussion might go:

Country 1: We're sorry we had to attack you but you attacked a neutral country. We're neutral as well so we chose to unload the fury of our neutral weapons upon you.
Country 2: I'm sorry. Now that I think about it, we deserved it.
Country 1: Yes, you did. Very much. Now let that be a lesson to you.
Country 2: Yes sir.
Country 1: Oh, one other thing, even though our neutral army went all neutral on your ass we are still neutral so you can't attack us. Nyah, nyah!
Country 2: Drat! Foiled again by neutrality!

Theus :"Yet again, this was a nation HOSTING A TRAINING WAR. This does not make it neutral."

Urgh...don't think anyone claimed hosting a training war bestows some sort of heavenly neutrality upon a nation.

But if you want to talk about the training war (which you indicate erradicated Malaysias neutrality) let's look who was using it.

13 EDEN nations,
11 PEACE nations,
and about 5 neutral nations
......... seems about as even as wargames can be.

@Quimby You have a point. 🙂

I never really liked the term "neutral". Independent, Sovereign, autonomous, self determined, mavericks, rogues, loose canons, cracked in the heads. 😉 Whatever you want to call it. But we aren't neutral.

Neutral is noncommited, impartial, indifferent, dispassionate, unaligned, noncombative, on the sidelines, on the fence, uninvolved.

Defending against Indonesia will be interpreted as a hostile act by the Indos and their allies. I'm saying this as me btw, not as PEACE or UK, whom I have no control over. I'm just reinforcing Quimby's point that Indonesia and their friends are unlikely to forgive and forget.

V+S, ILU IRELAND

yeah, wot Keers said^

Now or never we must join an alliance or become another fallen country.

I am sorry , but I find neutrality to be a farce anyway . We as a nation and as a people need to protect and defend our borders from all agression. Being a neutral sends out a message that we as a country are already weak and not united to fight for a cause. 'we have the ability, we have the martial spirit. We need to be a proactive nation, not a reactive one. In the words of Ben Frankin, "Our nation needs to stand together for surely if not we shall fall apart."

Eww... poetry, good article though 🙂

Interesting.

Voted.