"Lose Our Bonus" Policy: AFA Loss, or Ours?
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by Cicero Alvez
For short, it's OUR LOSS! The Elites, our Council of Elders, the very people who initiate and stubbornly maintain this profoundly moronic policy wouldn't admit that, but it's us, America, who were at loss.
About three months ago, before I was even born, President Civil Anarchy wrote this article, kicking-off a self-sabotaging policy that have caused us prolonged economic hardship. The intention behind this "lose our bonus" policy (hereinafter shall refer to as "LOB-policy"), however, were a noble one. They were supposedly design to drive Ajay and all other PTOers away. They were supposedly design so we--the historically loyal e-American--can take our country back. The only bad news is: THEY'RE NOT WORKING!
No pun intended, my friend Civil Anarchy.
Let's take a look at the fact, shall we? There were three congressional election since this (what in the hindsight could only be describe as) profoundly moronic policy. On the first post-LOB-policy congressional election, despite everyone's best effort, AFA comfortably won 873 votes. The other T4 party on the other hand, won 2413 votes.
So what's the problem Cicero? We're still outnumbering them three to one! Wait, my friend, form this point onwards, it'll only get worse!
On October congressional election, AFA won 867 votes, down SIX VOTES from the previous election. Then, our collectively delusional Council of Elders were hastily proclaim "VICTORYYYYYY!"
Delusional, much?
What apparently escaped them is the fact that on those very Congressional election, our loyal, truly American T4 party only won 1938 votes, which, while remain numerically ahead of AFA, actually FOUR freaking HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE LESS votes than the previous election. Yet, the Elites still claim victory. (Publicity stunt, aren't we?)
And finally, yesterday our T4 party once again battling AFA for votes in the congressional election. The aforementioned PTO party secured 890 votes (up 23 votes from previous election), while our T4 party won 1807 votes (DOWN 131 votes from previous election).
So, for the "beloved" members of our Council of Elders, please allow me, a lowly noobs, one of the huddled masses, ask you this following question:
WHAT ARE YOUR DEFENSE NOW?
And for the love of Dio, please don't throw in the answer along this line:
Good job destroying our country!
On the last note:
I only take congressional election figure because I believe that's where the true battle-ground are. These are the people who pass the bill, after all. Bills, like donation, MPP and NE Proposal. Of course, Party President election and CP election are also important, but please remember that AFA swing some votes in October CP election by deception (American Miiitary Party, everyone?), a feat that they didn't repeat on November CP election. So, that figure couldn't be valid.
And, special note to Civil Anarchy: I know the thing that happens before I was born because I have the ability to READ WRITTEN WORDS. That's how I know you're the one who initiate "lose our bonuses" policy (which is why, I guess, you're being so defensive about it), and that's how anyone alive today know anything about World War I (RL version, that is).
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if you are the captain of a luxury cruise ship and someone notify you that your ship are heading to freakishly huge iceberg, YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE!
eUSA has lost friends and allies in the last couple of months while trying to create strong CTRL. When the bonuses were lost it only draw away more of our friends from eUSA. It showed to be wrong decision. Maybe getting bonuses back will get us back our friends?! But were they friends in the first place if we need to buy them with bonuses?
Idk, It's a complex case...
this article actually closely related to my last one:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/mexico-campaign-publicity-stunt-or-appeasement-war--2163988/1/20
let's foster a healthy public discourse in all matter pertaining to our survival. i'm sorry if anyone doesn't like the tone of my article. lets just say, i have a flair for the dramatic.
and for the record, i'm not entirely against elitist system. our country should be run by the people who could actually devote their time to run it.
No matter how you misconstrue the numbers and play the blame game, it is a proven fact that this strategy has inhibited the AFA's ability to retain players w/o the luxury of bonuses. I am far from an elitist and agree with this plan.
Vote numbers are not actual citizen numbers. Also, you are regrettably not including the fact that this was a holiday weekend, with the elections happening during that weekend. Many eAmericans didn't even sign in.
Also of note: 23 up from last month< I would say that is pathetic compared to the 200+ citizenship approval given out by the AFA last month. Bottom line, this is working, no reason to change it. All the more reason to be more aggressive with it.
John Jay is right, and we're going to have the same problem in December as well.
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nice reading
I told on the begining this politics is failure but noone listen to me.
Now I am in AFA the best party in eUSA
Boated.
Your English is pretty good.
thanks for commenting, john. btw...
"Vote numbers are not actual citizen numbers."
>>>but i think they represent active citizen numbers.
"Also, you are regrettably not including the fact that this was a holiday weekend, with the elections happening during that weekend. Many eAmericans didn't even sign in."
>>>if this is the reason why the vote for our truly e-American, T4 party, are going down, then we suppose to do better in january (because december will be the same)
thanks all for commenting.
and btw, fingerguns, in case you're wondering, in RL i'm a Singaporean of Malaysian descent. Singapore technically have 3 official language; English, Chinese, and Melayu. i speak Melayu at home, but most people in here speak Chinese (which is difficult for me to learn and i definitely couldn't read it) but don't speak Melayu so, i have to propped up my English.
AFA doesn't need huge growth rates. We can just grow steadily and wait for the elitist boat to sink. 😛
Do I really have to refute this article too?
Cicero, go look at all of the citizens that the AFA has approved this month.
It is easily 100 citizens. So even though the AFA brought in 100 new people this month, they still lost 6 votes, which means they didn't lose 6 votes, THEY LOST 106.
Seriously. I explained this to you yesterday, and I have to do it again? Look at the actual facts instead of just constantly cherry picking to try and prove yourself right.
Also, look at the numbers in some of the other T4 parties that have stabilized. The USWP and Feds have both stabilized, and the AMP is getting that ground. The longer that the AFA has to funnel people here, the lower amount of willing participants they can find. And when they can no longer fill the gap with multis and new approvals, you'll see just how fast they fall.
my main concern with your so-called bonus plan is that this things could going on FOREVER. if AFA will really fall in the foreseeable future, then fine. but what if, instead, it's our people who going overseas? how could you explain 475 vote we lost in October congressional election? because most of iNCi leave? are they the only one?
and, if bigcdizzle right, and we do, in fact, lost 130+ vote this month because most of you are in holliday mood and didn't log-in, we should be...
... in a better shape comes january. (because december would be holliday season too.) how about this: we try this thing for two other month, and if we didn't do better in january congressional election, then we all sould agree that your plan didn't work.
PS: i'm not cherrypicking. i'm completely disregard CP election (which is your argument for proving that AFA is going down) because in October election, AFA swing some votes by deception and treachery. so, that numerical comparison not valid.
and btw, they lost 6 vote last month. this month they gain 23. net gain after 2 month; 17 votes. that might not be a lot, but we lost 606 votes during the same time frame.
and besides, i think some people who come through AFA lying to them. yes, AFA granted CZ in exchange of vote, but there is no way they could ensure those people really will join AFA or vote for them. so i think, beside concentrating on AFA hardship in retaining members...
... we might also want to consider our own hardship in doing the same thing. you said, some T4 party are getting ground. great! now what about including full analysis on that matter on the next edition of WHPR. or DHS publication. you criticize me for calling DHS number bullshit. well, they didn't elaborate enough.
like i said before, i'm not the only one who share these sentiments. and don't say i just want bonuses. i don't even have a company? what's good bonus will do for me?
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Really good article! V.!
don't join AFA, they're PTO party. however, i have to give it to you, though. you AFA guys put up a very good fight. i'm really curious to see how this things will play out.
join one of top 5 parties OTHER THAN AFA! and btw, Fed gave out tanks:
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Vote hard!!
So if we aren't in the AFA we're elitists?
Great logic there.
Yes, it certainly seems that the "no bonus" policy is costing the eUS government more friends than enemies. Unity parties have experienced a drop in membership over the past month. I'm projecting an AFA dominated eUS withing 4-6 months. I go over the numbers here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/afa-039-s-got-game--2164488/1/20
First I would like to thank Cicero for having the courage to share his thoughts knowing full well he was going to be the target of much criticism. Secondly, I would like to say I believe the current program does keep the problem from being much worse, but we are possibly hurting ourselves in the progress of doing so. We need another idea, because this by its self will not win this war.
@cicero: The 400 vote drop in October came primarily from the AMP. I already explained to you the fact that this policy also affects eden commune holders, and other people from different countries. In addition to that, we also lost votes from WTP, which was heavily populated with former AFA members. I would actually attribute a large portion of the lost votes that election to people the AFA let in leaving the country.
This policy will not last forever. The AFA now has to rely entirely on the goodwill of their foreign supporters, because the bonuses do not serve as incentive. With this in mind, the longer the PTO goes on, the less enthusiasm governments will have to send their people to weakened bonuses. If we hold on, and revamp the public campaign, we can easily make sure this is not an eternal policy. Yet getting the bonuses back just opens the floodgates that we saw in july and august.
And yes, the AFA can ensure people that are here will vote for them. Look at their approvals. They're all Serbians and ONE members. Why the hell would they vote anyone else but AFA, especially if they can get congressional medals from that?
Again, you are taking a different stance than the tone of your article. It's not the DHS fault you're not doing your research. If you want to make a political opinion, you can't hide behind, "You didn't make it abundantly clear to me, so I can say whatever."
Dennis's comments were da best, imo.
Bonus loses hurt everyone p-much equally imo. AFA's growth has slowed, but they are indeed still growing. Unity Elections make elections not very exciting, so they will continue to lower participation rates. New Congressional election system hurts everyone cause who gives a shite anymore. No NE wars are likely part of the Bonus-loss idea, and equally hurt everyone.
Hey we have good men working on solutions. Good men.
(Indiana Jones impression)
Crazy talk is all I'm seeing. First AFA is made up of only Serbs and One players. As I'm not a Serb or One, and most my friends are !00% Americans as I am (all in AFA), that disproves that lie. The only PTO I've seen is from the elites taking over the parties I belonged to in an attempt to prevent AJ from gaining power, a very sad attempt to silence the opposition. You made your bed with arrogant behavior, a total lack of perspective of what is actually happening, now live with it!
"The 400 vote drop in October came primarily from the AMP. I already explained to you the fact that this policy also affects eden commune holders, and other people from different countries."
>>>if they're helping us fend off the PTO, why we alienate them?
"The AFA now has to rely entirely on the goodwill of their foreign supporters, because the bonuses do not serve as incentive."
>>>and i believe their foreign supporter will continually have a good will. they want to hurt us.
"...and revamp the public campaign, we can easily make sure this is not an eternal policy."
>>>yes, please. otherwise you'll have full blown public disobedience on your hand (maybe somewhere along the line of "occupy usa-forum campaign") in no time.
"...taking a different stance than the tone of your article."
>>>like i said, i have a flair for the dramatics. i can't help myself. sorry about that, but at least it works, wasn't it? we finally have a public discourse in the media.
"It's not the DHS fault you're not doing your research."
>>> when the government take what they know full well would be unpopular decision, it's their duty to clearly articulate their decision to the people they claim to represent. you just repeatedly saying things like "AFA not loss 6 votes, but 106 votes", "we successfully mitigate 100 new PTOers", but yet, DHS never make this claim complete with the evidence to back it up.
i write from the point of view of someone who doesn't join the meta game. if i really get my fact wrong as you repeatedly claim, my friend, (and some real evidence to back up your claim would be very welcomed) that's because the government (or the one who done the wheeling and dealing in the back room) fail to release those alleged "fact" to the general public. you cannot just slap some pictures with numbers to WHPR latest edition and call that "proof" of your success, claiming that ATO vote...
...gaining strength while even 8 years old can see we lost 606 vote in the last two month. or claiming that AFA lost ground while they seems to hold firm while we are the one who lost votes.
i know that eRep government conducted on meta game. but should you then alienate the people who doesn't join the meta game from information that normal government would gladly release (even advertised) when they're taking unpopular decision?
if the government were, indeed, successful, why don't they advertise their success? it's sounds counter intuitive to me. normal government supposedly love to brag.
if they have--as you repeatedly claim--a collection of fact that will make "abundantly clear" to me the merit of your "lose our bonus" policy if i just know them, why, even after growing public discontent of their policy, the government are refrain from releasing it to the general public? assuming they have anything to release.
and btw, if i just slap all my comment together, i would've enough material to make another article.
www.erepublik.com/en/article/dixie-liberation-front-the-beginning-2164841/1/20 VOTE, SHOUT
do people even know what "elite" means? it means a small minority of people who control the majority.
its impossible to be the "elite" if the majority of the people support you
also lol AFA has foreign avatars in their congress members, that kinda props up the foreigners support line.
think before you answer american AFAers, if your party gains control you lose an ally in Australia, and im the Minister of Foreign Affairs so think carefully
read everything http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/politics-elitists-vs-ptos-2165688/1/20