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[Hungary] Interesting things happens
In the midst of December a Russian government representative asked me for a grain region in Ukraine for Russia. My answer was : ‘Okay, we will give you one, but we need two grain regions, since the grain is the only really essential resources and we really need one just in case, because for us that would be really hard to get a grain if we would lose all of ours.’
She was pretty assertive about this deal, she didn’t want to accept that this is not the greedy of Hungarians, but safe-play.
[22:26] <AThompson> I want to give you a grain, but I don't know how yet.
I was thinking about a grain in Ukraine for Russia, I was thinking about a grain in Belarus for Russia.
We had a few more conversations with her and with another representative where I said the same as before : Hungary need a second grain region, but we will try to get a new one somewhere than give a grain in Ukraine for Russia.
Then an interesting thing happened. Russia at that time only bordered Ukraine in Donbas region, but a Russian congress member proposed a Natural Enemy law on Ukraine.
The interesting in this is not the idleness of the law - since after a successful NE Russia would only capable to conquer one region, Donbas, which region doesn’t have anything useful for Russia, since she has an iron region already-, but the fact that only three hours after the NE law Romania started several RWs in Ukraine.
Of course this could be a coincidence after all, but a bit later more fun happen.
[16:27] <xxxher> The plan was to negotiate with you about rw
[16:27] <xxxher> and after then fight ukraine
[16:27] <xxxher> O___o
[16:27] <AThompson> But start negiotiating after the NE proposed?
I heard that there are pretty good diplomats in Russia, but I don’t really get the Russian diplomacy’s point : you propose the Natural Enemy law vote hard on the ‘Yes’ and after ask for the regions. After this conversation a government representative asked me if we are defending Sloboda of not, because if we not Russia will send help to the other RWs. I don’t really see the coherence, if we were allies. The Sloboda RW was like 0/1-5 at this time so we answered that we won’t defend the region.
After the RWs we lost Taurida and Sloboda, and Russia go for Ukraine. On 6th January I got elected as the President of Hungary, and after the technical issues I went to sign the kicked off MPPs for Hungary. I signed one with UK, I signed one with Indonesia and I asked Russia :
[2011.01.06. 13:05:44] Armin Thompson: I would like to sign an MPP with you.
[2011.01.06. 13:05:46] Armin Thompson:
[2011.01.06. 13:08:20] RuCP: i have no objection but lets wait untill evening - i need some tiime to orient in the environment
This was a bit weird since the Russian government said that they want to go for Romania, but I was okay with this.
[16:09] <xxxher> and to come to romania's borders
yep, i am here , but we have some problems with MPPs. (blush) Is Xmas in Russian and all Cabinet (especialy MoFA and Treasury man) missing, and i stil have no keys to country reserves. So for now i cant answer you ;( i am terrably sorry for this situation , but will contact you asap
[2011.01.07. 13:57:05] Armin Thompson: Errrm.
[2011.01.07. 13:57:06] Armin Thompson: To GOLD 100.00 one hour ago
[2011.01.07. 13:57:07] Armin Thompson:
[2011.01.07. 13:57:24] Armin Thompson: 1 hour ago somebody had.
[2011.01.07. 14:02:22] Cheshire Hatter: this is gold kept from previous president for MPP with UK - them must propouse every moment ...so i cant use it for another MPP ;(
[2011.01.07. 14:03:42] Armin Thompson: It is okay for me, I just don't know why he can't donate another 100.
[2011.01.07. 14:04:00] RuCP: another?
[2011.01.07. 14:04:03] RuCP: hm
[2011.01.07. 14:04:07] RuCP: sec
[2011.01.07. 14:04:26] Armin Thompson: And can you propose the MPP?
I have one proposed. ;_;
[2011.01.07. 14:07:17] RuCP: i just cant give you an answer right now - i must talk with opur MoFA. As i say i am newbie in this matter and didnt know any of previuor affires of our MoFA . As soon as i have full picture i will contact you and give you an answer. and again i am very sorry for this confusion ;(
Only one hour before this conversation the Russian Government could donate gold to the treasury, in this time they can’t and the president of Russia gave me a dilatory answer for the MPP.
I thought that Russia and Hungary is natural allies, who don’t have to ‘ask the conditions about an MPP’. It seems I was wrong.
I thought that Russia is an enemy of Romania, the country which conquered her regions two times. It seems I was wrong.
In large.
07[01:11] <AThompson> I heard that Romania will conquer a few regions.
07[01:11] <AThompson>
01[01:13] <xxxher> it was a kind of "agreement"
01[01:14] <xxxher> and our cp showed it to poland
So technically after cooperating with Romania two times, the Russian government asked for the MPP again, and this time I answered : No. They said that they are cooperating with Romania because the have their own interest and Russia needs a grain, what Hungary could give her anyway.
In this month we saw Russians hitting on the rebel side of a Hungarian RW.
In this month the half of the Russian army were hitting for Bulgaria, against Macedonia the little brother of Serbia.
In this month Russia rejected the Hungarian MPP
It seems I was wrong in a several things. I thought that Romania can’t be a friend of Russia, the country what Romania conquered two times.
Both occasions Russia was freed by Hungarian help. Our country was erased, but we fought in Volga and CBE to help Russian people.
I was the one who supplied the Hungarian army for Central Black Earth, and I was the one who commanded them.
I’m not against the Russian people, but against a government what is cooperating a country what conquered Russia a few times.
AThompson,
former President of Hungary.
She was pretty assertive about this deal, she didn’t want to accept that this is not the greedy of Hungarians, but safe-play.
[22:26] <AThompson> I want to give you a grain, but I don't know how yet.
I was thinking about a grain in Ukraine for Russia, I was thinking about a grain in Belarus for Russia.
We had a few more conversations with her and with another representative where I said the same as before : Hungary need a second grain region, but we will try to get a new one somewhere than give a grain in Ukraine for Russia.
Then an interesting thing happened. Russia at that time only bordered Ukraine in Donbas region, but a Russian congress member proposed a Natural Enemy law on Ukraine.
The interesting in this is not the idleness of the law - since after a successful NE Russia would only capable to conquer one region, Donbas, which region doesn’t have anything useful for Russia, since she has an iron region already-, but the fact that only three hours after the NE law Romania started several RWs in Ukraine.
Of course this could be a coincidence after all, but a bit later more fun happen.
[16:27] <xxxher> The plan was to negotiate with you about rw
[16:27] <xxxher> and after then fight ukraine
[16:27] <xxxher> O___o
[16:27] <AThompson> But start negiotiating after the NE proposed?
I heard that there are pretty good diplomats in Russia, but I don’t really get the Russian diplomacy’s point : you propose the Natural Enemy law vote hard on the ‘Yes’ and after ask for the regions. After this conversation a government representative asked me if we are defending Sloboda of not, because if we not Russia will send help to the other RWs. I don’t really see the coherence, if we were allies. The Sloboda RW was like 0/1-5 at this time so we answered that we won’t defend the region.
After the RWs we lost Taurida and Sloboda, and Russia go for Ukraine. On 6th January I got elected as the President of Hungary, and after the technical issues I went to sign the kicked off MPPs for Hungary. I signed one with UK, I signed one with Indonesia and I asked Russia :
[2011.01.06. 13:05:44] Armin Thompson: I would like to sign an MPP with you.
[2011.01.06. 13:05:46] Armin Thompson:
[2011.01.06. 13:08:20] RuCP: i have no objection but lets wait untill evening - i need some tiime to orient in the environment
This was a bit weird since the Russian government said that they want to go for Romania, but I was okay with this.
[16:09] <xxxher> and to come to romania's borders
yep, i am here , but we have some problems with MPPs. (blush) Is Xmas in Russian and all Cabinet (especialy MoFA and Treasury man) missing, and i stil have no keys to country reserves. So for now i cant answer you ;( i am terrably sorry for this situation , but will contact you asap
[2011.01.07. 13:57:05] Armin Thompson: Errrm.
[2011.01.07. 13:57:06] Armin Thompson: To GOLD 100.00 one hour ago
[2011.01.07. 13:57:07] Armin Thompson:
[2011.01.07. 13:57:24] Armin Thompson: 1 hour ago somebody had.
[2011.01.07. 14:02:22] Cheshire Hatter: this is gold kept from previous president for MPP with UK - them must propouse every moment ...so i cant use it for another MPP ;(
[2011.01.07. 14:03:42] Armin Thompson: It is okay for me, I just don't know why he can't donate another 100.
[2011.01.07. 14:04:00] RuCP: another?
[2011.01.07. 14:04:03] RuCP: hm
[2011.01.07. 14:04:07] RuCP: sec
[2011.01.07. 14:04:26] Armin Thompson: And can you propose the MPP?
I have one proposed. ;_;
[2011.01.07. 14:07:17] RuCP: i just cant give you an answer right now - i must talk with opur MoFA. As i say i am newbie in this matter and didnt know any of previuor affires of our MoFA . As soon as i have full picture i will contact you and give you an answer. and again i am very sorry for this confusion ;(
Only one hour before this conversation the Russian Government could donate gold to the treasury, in this time they can’t and the president of Russia gave me a dilatory answer for the MPP.
I thought that Russia and Hungary is natural allies, who don’t have to ‘ask the conditions about an MPP’. It seems I was wrong.
I thought that Russia is an enemy of Romania, the country which conquered her regions two times. It seems I was wrong.
In large.
07[01:11] <AThompson> I heard that Romania will conquer a few regions.
07[01:11] <AThompson>
01[01:13] <xxxher> it was a kind of "agreement"
01[01:14] <xxxher> and our cp showed it to poland
So technically after cooperating with Romania two times, the Russian government asked for the MPP again, and this time I answered : No. They said that they are cooperating with Romania because the have their own interest and Russia needs a grain, what Hungary could give her anyway.
In this month we saw Russians hitting on the rebel side of a Hungarian RW.
In this month the half of the Russian army were hitting for Bulgaria, against Macedonia the little brother of Serbia.
In this month Russia rejected the Hungarian MPP
It seems I was wrong in a several things. I thought that Romania can’t be a friend of Russia, the country what Romania conquered two times.
Both occasions Russia was freed by Hungarian help. Our country was erased, but we fought in Volga and CBE to help Russian people.
I was the one who supplied the Hungarian army for Central Black Earth, and I was the one who commanded them.
I’m not against the Russian people, but against a government what is cooperating a country what conquered Russia a few times.
AThompson,
former President of Hungary.
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cool story bro
hungary, always screwing in diplomacy
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TOO HASTY CONCLUSIONS
In the midst of December a Russian government representative asked me
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She was pretty assertive
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Не пускайте баб в политику! От них одни траблы
I'm not against Hungary, just against it's government who orders to fight against Portugal. oh wait
voted. Just cant understand what do Russian congress and goverment want? Romania as an ally for them? Hope not.
MPP whith HU \m/
P.S.
@I’m not against the Russian people - then stfu -.-
Polgar, maybe its better to ask congress? or president directly?
you see you failed in russia and now try to blame someone else: russia, russian people, russian congress and russian attitude.
blaming our government you blame us. show us your friendship by giving us choice to decide what to do with our country.
its humuliating to read such kind of articles. i can understand why you also failed with Brazil and Portugal.
whos next? serbia?
chebba we never ordered army to fight against portugal, we had important things to do like defending Macedon and Turkey, ohh wait russian army fought for Bulgaria against Serbia and Hungary...
1. I really dont hurry with any decision in first days of my presidentship. And as many people know i have no access to MoFA treasury (one and only reason for removing Luzhkow form MoFA position).
2. We have negotiation with Romanian by their initiative. Our only goal was to get a proof of Romanian betrayal against Poland. It was according our plans to form coalition against Romania, that is not actual now.
3. We cant stop our people that fight together with Bulgarians in many battles to go and help them, as we cant stop those who want to fight for Macedonia and Turkey - but our official position is strong neutrality in Balkan conflict. We dont step aside this positions till the end - we refuse asked help to Macedonia and Bulgaria both.
4. After I oriented in situation and have access to MPP reserves I as promise send my new MoFA to negotiate MPP with Hungary, but we receive rude refusal that , strangely, didn't quoted here:
[1/14/2011 11:17:14 PM] MoFA: 23:19 we were talking about MPP, we would like to sign it
23:20 AThompson Hmm.
23:20 AThompson I have two argument against that.
23:20 AThompson 1. Poland don't want it
23:21 AThompson 2. Russia fucked us up in the RWs of Ukraine.
So ... now all facts are clear, i hope.
ernst, dude, the whole world media was FULL of articles and screens where your army guys fought against Portugal on Spain's side.
You are friends with Poland. We don't care. We are friends with Bulgaria and you think you can teach us what to do. Bulgaria is the only country who's army got direct orders to protect our territories while Phoenix was still alive and most of EDEN powers (including your new friend Poland) was attacking us.
So you can be friends with the one who attacked you ally Russia and we can't be friends with Romania who attacked us as well? I don't see logic here.
Also, negotiations mean negotiations. Every country in current situation tries to find solution. We try as well and see results. Thank you for showing your true face.
whooow, te láttál chaten élőben online oroszt?
chebba we never ordered army to fight against portugal, we had important things to do like defending Macedon and Turkey, ohh wait russian army fought for Bulgaria against Serbia and Hungary...
We never ordered army to fight against Macedon and Turkey, we had important things to do like defending portugal, ohh wait hungarian army fought for Spain against against Portugals and Russians
The same, isnt it? No government can stop private initiative ...
For those who doesn't know. Avisian is Russian President.
Ipath : Skype volt. : ) Egyébként romool meg páran jártak fel IRC-re is.
Eden propoganda!!!
@Avisian : I got 2 denial and Russians fight on the rebel side in the Ukraine RWs, Russians fighting against us in Macedonia, and Iran RWs, Russian government started negotions with Romania, Russian government not cooperating with Macedonia to help them against Bulgaria.
After all of this things I think that was fair the reject the MPP. You ask me to accept that the gov go flatter with Romania, Bulgaria and do things against Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary and after all of this accept your MPP. Tha f@ck? O_o
why you mentioned Poland which was apparently against our MPP? if you made decision by yourself because russia is "tha f@ck" why mentioning Poland at all?
learn to lie, AThompson.
"Bulgaria is the only country who's army got direct orders to protect our territories"
I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.
Arssen, for the protocol, who else had such orders?
really? i wonder why the whole russian army was whining in media why allies except for bulgaria didn't help us at all.
and also, to the author of an article. Be a man and publish a name. You mean Plesen, then have some guts and blame her directly. You can't do it because you are a coward and afraid she'll report you. But why? Now they don't ban for publishing logs. Then there is no name because logs are taken the way you wanted them to. This explains why didn't you put Polish part, which was published by our President.
а я скажу по русски, венгры не учите нас внешней политике ВЫ ПРЕДАЛИ португалию, вы предали бразилию и помимо этого подписали мпп с польшей да еще и потом сказали что поляки против мпп России и Венгрии, вы стали марионетками признайте это
и после этого всего я был бы счастлив если бы Россия поступила так же как и Бразилия заключив мпп с Румынией
Fascinating reasoning, however I don't think anyone including AThompson should acquire the knowledge of lying properly.
Simply because it's not a nice thing to do, chebbba.
AThompson, we can negotiate with everyone we like. Important things are reasons for negotiation. I am sure that your close friends Poland explain you very well why we negotiate with poland and how they receive the logs? Or not? Poland have a secrets from their little brother? Not good.
So i never refuse MPP with Hungary. I just must check and discuss with expirienced people (also i realy have no access to MPP gold, and cant use already promised gold for others MPP without any consultation with MoFA). Also we know that you get closer with poland and prefer firstly to check if we can be friends with Poland - you can have copy of our corespondence again form your big borther Poland. And then i was ready to sign , Hungary refuse with reason "Poland don't want it"
So i always was honest in my policy, so now I think that Russia no need in such friend and ally , and i happy that we chose to wait and see your real face. At least you can warn as that you have plans to cooperate with Poland , instead now to named us betraylers because we have agree to listen that romanians want to say without any agreements.
AThompson, add vissza a huntert!
yes, Griffmadar, we both know it's not nice to lie. Now get your ex-president to know it and ask him why he cut logs. Oh wait, he doesn't have to learn. We can publish the whole logs in comments.
Avisian, чувак, отсутствие информации заколебало. Опубликуй статью в России со всеми логами, можно со ссылками на логи в pastebin. Ты же понимаешь, такая ситуация возникла, потому что блин страна в абсолютном неведении, что творится, и винить их нельзя. Опубликуй логи с Польшей, Румынией и Венгрией. Все, о чем ты говорил.
А всем, кто сейчас гнобит Авизиана и быстренько переметнулся на сторону венгров. Дайте ему сначала возможность объясниться. Вы играете за Россию в любом случае, и каким бы ни был авизиан, он наш президент и подозревать его в пропаганде нельзя. Его проблема неопытность. если облажается с логами - импичмент. Но пока этого не произошло, за рашу надо стоять горой.
Migrant, even though Bulgarian help was immense, it's not like they were the only ones who liberated you. Why do you think Hungarians let CH fall? It was so that they could liberate Russian region under Romanian occupation. Serbia sent it's army and equipped tanks to fight in those RWs all night long. Entire PHX and especially Serbia helped in that enormous PTO attempt several months ago.
Praising only one country for a gigantic effort WE ALL did is simply not fair.
FAIL RUSSIA
@Avisian : you could see our real face when we hit from the occupied Hungary for Russia in Volga and a bit later in CBE. I was the one who supplied and commanded the Hungarian army in CBE, and I'm the same person now. We have got two denial from your gov adressed to the people who helped out Russia in november. O_o You did say that the biggest problem with that MPP was the money? Holy gosh I could donate 100 gold from my own money to your country treasury to help you out. You ask us to sit in a place and wait for the Russian gov to attack Poland, help out Romania in Ukraine? Of course we won't do that. You go away flatter with Serbia's, Macedonia's and Hungary's enemies, got what you want then came back and ask for a _Mutual_ Protection Pact again what you have declined a few weeks ago? Tha f@ck again?
авизиан опубликуй все логи переговоров и дай разъяснение ситуации народу
предатели и румынские подстилки, фу, противно.
I have fought dozens of times on order of eHungarian military command defending eRussian territories, or liberating eRussian territories. So did the whole eHungarian army. Noone can deny that.
AThompson , i see only that those Hungary is not this Hungury. So may be we must change too. Thanks you for lesson.
@chebbba
Now I'm kind of puzzled. If - according to you - he already knows how to lie (and you are accusing him of doing so) then why did you ask him to learn it in the first place?
However, I don't really care about what AThompson has done, is doing or will do. But I do remember the time when we let Romania erase us just to be able to help you liberate your regions. I don't think it is a sacrifice Romania would make for you... just bear this in mind.
Griffmadar, why thank you. Blackmailing Russia is certainly the best thing one can do to warm our relations.
In those RW you had no chances. You needed to close the war and succeed there. I can only say it was a smart move and really was a sign of friendship in russian eyes.
Later, though, you made an alliance with Poland. Yeah, the same Poland which previously participated in erasing Russia from the map. You have plans to attack Brazil, that's why serbian media was full of articles saying that serbs don't want to fight against Brazil or Hungary. That's nice and friendly, you love serbs and understand them.
Then try to understand russians. We have the same neutral position in Balkans conflict. That's why we see no sense in fighting against Bulgaria.
Avisian:
This Hungary only 1 month ago freed Russian teritories. I were hitting in Russian regions since helll knows.
Ask the Serbs about how many of us were online in CBE RW to Free the region. I tell you over 300 ONLINE players hit at the same time in one chatroom. After CBE was free you could not talk for about 20 minutes becouse of the celebration.
Hungary orderd its army to hit in Russion regions NOT in Hungaryina regions to be freed. If we would liberated CH first Russion regions would be still Romanian becouse whitout that 5.000 population we could not hit down the Romanian Tanks.
And There were no order to fight against Portugal. If there would be such one i would not do it. I only fought in Defending Spain regions and in Venezuela RW. So did the hungarian army.
... or for Bulgaria.
My government as i say previosly cant choose which friend to betrayel so we choose to betrayel noone. I recomend many times our army and citizend not to participate in Balkan Conflict.
Каменты ниасилил. Читать противно, как обвиняют друг друга официальные лица двух стран
он уже одни логи слил в прессу, от этого только вред вышел
так что больше не надо
и вообще, кончайте срач, противно это всё выглядит со стороны
Румыния предала Польшу? Ээээ. Вы чего-то упустили. smrtan - тот самый президент польши мечтал о Новом Порядке хрень знает с каких времён.
Венгры всегда выберут выгоду, союзы им по барабану. Так же как и полякам.
Никто не напоминает венгру как он пытался подписать мир с румынами? И главное - когда. : )
Peterbond , Yes, but this month this Hungary sign MPP with Poland and refuse our MPP with silly reasons and without trying to understant our trivial organizational reason for lating.
here is the essence:
HU: - MPP?
RU: - Greate! But can you wait a little because i am confused
HU: - OK
RU: - Sorry, i still have organization problems. will conntact you asap
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RU: Here I am , now i can sign
HU: f*ck off
RU: ?!
срач нужно было закончить еще в той статье, Лужков, где ты от имени правительства выступаешь против Авизиана, дав повод венграм вонять дальше.
Smart move фо риал.
Публикуй логи, Авизиан. Поройся, в конце концов. Раковую опухоль надо вырезать целиком и раз и навсегда принять решение.
Нарыв вскрылся, красиво гной течет.
Лужков, где ты от имени правительства
__________
лужков любит выступать от имени правительства. Привычка чесание ЧСВ. По речам такий фейлеров и судят по всей стране.
@Avisian : 'You did say that the biggest problem with that MPP was the money? Holy gosh I could donate 100 gold from my own money to your country treasury to help you out. ' <<<<<< I could...
If your dream was to fight against Romania, than 1. why did you start negotiations with them 2. why didn't you tell this to Hungary so we could cooperate. I sense daze in the force.
Anyway you can proove the opposition of my arguments : propose NE against Romania, vote yes and attack them. O_o If this would happen I'm pretty sure that the Hungarian gov would accept the MPP proposal and help you.
he told you clearly he DIDN'T start negotiations, Romania CAME to russia and ASKED what if we together pwn someone.
and he didn't give an answer. he came to Poland and gave them logs of romanian proposal, waiting for hun-pol decision.
Really stupid move. Polacs are not our friends, but Avisian is not really sure how to maintain things properly. But he is truthful in his words about his personal desire to pwn Romania. Since you declined MPP because of Poland he realized you really don't need russia. Another stupid move, he should have come to hungarian media and asked hungarians about what do they think of it. Sort of like you did. But wait, he makes decisions here. And there is no romool behind him pulling the strings.
So he makes the only rational move: starts talking with romanians. Easy. you say now "you could have asked me for gold on MPP". Really? Why didnt you offer it if you wanted MPP that hard? Russia is full of beurocratic nonsense, it has been like that for ages.
@chebbba
I have no idea which of my words gave you the false impression of me blackmailing Russia, but let me assure you it was not my intention.
In that war, even if agree that we wanted the war to be closed, we had chances. We could have started RWs in Hungary and we could have let you stay under Romanian oppression for a lot longer. We did not choose this option, but it could have been chosen.
Later we signed an MPP with Poland with whom we are friends IRL and most of us have coveted this alliance since the very beginning. Their participation in the Romanian attack cannot be denied, however while we made friends with a country who helped against you, you are siding with the one who actually erased Russia. This is quite an interesting turn of events, I think.
I have never asked why you did not fight against Bulgaria. Once a Bulgarian player said that a Balkan country should only be erased by another Balkan country. Since they have their unique situation, as far as I'm concerned, no other country should interfere in their wars. Let Balkan fight in Balkan : )
AThompson, why you dont tell me that you are in hurry to sign and can donate then. I think that our friendly relations are by default and MPP is just formality, so i dont rush thing and try to do them right. If you was declare what in some reasons we MUST imidiatly sign i could find 100 g by myself. But, no, you say "Ok, i can wait." and now you blame my in betrayel and refusing MPP. I dont understant it - it is not a friendly kind of relations for me.
@chebbba : I present you the only rational move,okay?
At the start of the current presidental circle Avisian come to me and say : 'Hey mate we would like to attack Romania, do you think we can figure out something?' 'Yes, we surely can.'
In place of this the stuff was something like this:
butnaru : 'Hey mate we would like get rid of Hungary from Ukraine and we would like you to rape Poland, do you think we can figure out something?' Avisian : 'Yes, we surely can.'
So he makes the only rational move: starts talking with romanians. Easy. you say now "you could have asked me for gold on MPP". Really? Why didnt you offer it if you wanted MPP that hard? Russia is full of beurocratic nonsense, it has been like that for ages.
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And how i can be sure that tomorrow Poland not come to you and say "We no need Russians anymore"? Sorry but we cant change our policy every time then you chenge your mind. You can try with next russian CP. After you answer to our MoFA and this article i personaly can't trust your government
Griffmadar, no one sided yet. The only actual agreement we have is with finns and it has a pure economical interest, giving us territories and resourses we need.
Talks with Romania are going on, why should we deny. It's the same with you guys having one year old talks with Poland and an unofficial agreement with them about not attacking core territories of each other. While whole phoenix was attacking Poland or defending from them, you didn't attack them. Yet you didn't defend and had a conflict with France because of that.
But well, Romania erased us. Like twice. You hate them, we had our problems with them as well. Dude, ffs, explain me WHY your government didn't use such a great opportunity to offer us a friendship? You wanted a small alliance. This "small" alliance already includes several countries. Russia didn't ask that much, Russia didn't ask anything at all actually. Only respect and trust. You didn't want it.
I'm not a member of the Hun government, never was. However, as far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Hungary wanted to re-sign the MPP and you refused, because you couldn't find 100g : ) I mean, please, for a country like Russia this is a pretty lame excuse. After this, and after the mysterious synchronization between your attack against Ukraine and the RWs started by Romania I think it can be safely said that Russia turned on Hungary first. Considering all this, I can't really blame the Hun government for not wanting to sign the MPP with you anymore.
I correct you because you are wrong: hungary wanted to sing an MPP and our president didn't have gold. gold is collected on the ORGS, which are controlled not by president. the one for an mpp - keys were at our ex-mofa's hands which dissapeared. this happens not to let president steal the gold and to avoid corruption, because we had one case of stealing.
as for pretty lame excuse. dude, we were like wiped off, didnt you notice? and were feeding all tanks with gold, and food, and tanks, and stuff. if you think that russia is incredibly rich then show me how is it possible if you spent everything bringing your country back on map. secondly, those famous russian 20k gold also dissapeared, were spent on defending: hellokitty, lionking, french territories and everything and everyone, just not on russia. yeah, attacking poland to help france also cost smth.
@chebbba : Third time : 'Holy gosh I could donate 100 gold from my own money to your country treasury to help you out.' Actually we can scale our e penis, but that won't bring us any closer to anything. : )
Migrant day "My big dream was to go to war on Romania, together with the Poles and Hungarians, and even a handful of countries and make a crusade to Rudministan. "
Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
this dream happening way before the butnaru log
*grin**grin**grin**grin**grin**grin**grin**grin*
AThompson, then you should have offered it. That's a simple thing, so don't act all surprised now.
And i dont have an e-penis to start measuring : )
@chebbba
You didn't correct me, just said that you really had not had 100 gold to sign the MPP, which I still find extremely hard to believe. Furthermore you must have missed my point about the synchronized attacks : )
@Griffmadar : they didn't answer that ever. : )
i dont care if you believe or not, i find ridiculous that you don't : )
but apparently its a common hungarian attitude.
@chebbba : it isn't, but we find at least interesting that you propose an NE law what is good for only 1 region, and right after that RWs start in Ukraine, and you ask us if we will defend Sloboda or not. : )
After that somebody publish logs that poove that you are in contact with the Romanian government.
And after all you forgot the ultimate point :
_You personally_ said that all of your moves ('all actions at Ukraine) in Ukraine was discussed with the Romanian government.
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7108/81919557.jpg
So the common Hungarian attitude is beign suprised now. O_o
Yes, and I meant recent negotiations: Russia, Ukraine and Romania. We kind of pwned Ukraine, but we mostly dont need their territories. As for ukraine, they agreed on negotiations only because of Romania.
Please, don't try to make me feel shame for it, i see nothing wrong in saying the actual TRUTH. I can repeat my words here as well, so you'll be able to make another 100 screenshots proving nothing but me saying what happened o/
NWO going bust .
The crusade for old allies has begun .
TRAITORS !!!!1ONEONEONE (yJIbI6o4ka) (:
To make things clear an comment from ordinal erussian player:
"[1/14/2011 11:17:14 PM] MoFA: 23:19 we were talking about MPP, we would like to sign it
23:20 AThompson Hmm.
23:20 AThompson I have two argument against that.
23:20 AThompson 1. Poland don't want it
23:21 AThompson 2. Russia fucked us up in the RWs of Ukraine."
What do you think we (russians) should think after that? "Poland dont want it." Nice. It means that when ePoland will come for us (its just a matter of time) you will have an MPP with them, not with us. So you think we should just sit on our asses and wait for that? We have a little choice in this situation actually. And dont call us traitors after that - its you, why betrayed us refusing to sign MPP bcoze your new friend dont want you to do that.
Hungary, let us live in harmony, and sign MPP. And implement big dreams of our president "My big dream was to go to war on Romania, together with the Poles and Hungarians, and even a handful of countries and make a crusade to Rudministan."
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@MAx Shvedov : Actually that is pretty easy. Propose NE against Romania and vote for yes. Russia hit against Serbia, Macedonia and Hungary, they had cooperated with Romania after with our help you have freed you country. The ball is on your side, and you was the one who lost our trust. Proove that your government is not the puppett of Romania!
so much blind and lazy ppl here. @AThompson Proove that your government is not the puppett of Poland!
How about you proving it is?
So Hungary says Russia have betrayed them by cooperating with hungarian enemy Romania, while Hungary totaly didn't betryed Russia by signing mpp with russian enemy Poland. Hmm.
@ShikiSan : actually we didn't do anything against Russia with Poland, unlike Russia who 'discussed all actions with the Romanian government at Ukraine'. So I don't really know what should we proove.
@Ivan Tyrishkin : hit against Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary, cooperating with Romania...etc. vs. a mere MPP and no hostile actions.
Cooperating with Romania dodnt start even now. But ... hits against Portugal, Bulgaria, even against russians in Ukraine + active MPP with our enemy (just to remember you - we also have no MPP with Romania). We refuse Bulgarian MPP because of neutral position. You call it a mere MPP and no hostile actions.
So can you prove that Russian Government issue any orders to army for fighting against Macedonia, Serbia and Hungar? Show it. Cooperating with Romania? The only log that prove it polish CP receive personally from me - it is great proof, isnt it? AThompson, you are ridiculous with you accuses.
Hungarians have betrayed Portugal, betrayed Brazil, betrayed Russia. So sad.
Я уверен что сейчас Венгры начнут говорить: "Смотрите Россия подписала мпп с Молдовой, а у них мпп с Румынией, они опять предали нас".
I am confident that Hungarians will now say: "Look, Russia signed an MPP with Moldova, but they have MPP to Romania, Russia again betrayed us!" But this MPP for protect Moldova from Romanian's aggres. Said just in case.
can huns just stop lying for a lil and talk seriously? I doubt this
and yeah, huns, you were too generously fighting against all ex-phoenix in netherlands (with poland, ofc), after that against germany with your nice friends. How dare you talk about betrayal after these things? (:
Hungary betrayed Germany
Hungary betrayed France
Hungary betrayed Portugal
Hungary betrayed Russia
who's next ?
@AThompson You see, you call this situation Russia hitting against Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary, we call it Hungary hitting against Bulgaria, Portugal and Russia. So i guess the smartest thing for us would be stop blaming each other of betryal and try to figure something out before it is too late(and i think it's not too late yet).
As far as I see our president/minister didn't provide full information about negotiations with Hungary to Russian citizens. All what was told to us - Hungary doesn't need any MPP with Russia, Poles don't want it. I believe that current situation is fail of Russian diplomacy.
Looks like our president never tried hard to keep the alliance.