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Long live the Coalition!

hmm I think that used to mean something else awhile back ago...

Maybe you should ask TheSmoke about this Coalition of yours, Brucie. See below.

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B*tches bow down! We own this sh*t! Bought and paid for with swagger!

I pay my rent with swagger.

😮 you've named your credit card.

OmGz PtO!

Take their money then vote CPF as usual.

With respect, TheSmoke, check congress. Membership numbers != votes. UF has us beat by about 6 members (currently), but we beat them in congressional votes by a fairly significant margin. MDP is still your official opposition.

Basically, Sheogorath and his people are taking a lot of shit right now for not giving a damn about the "meta game," and apparently for getting new people elected into congress. Is this worth rallying the hate-mongers and crying "PTO party!" at top volume? Or is it people doing what they believe is best regardless of the braying chorus of "coalition" forum-elites telling everyone else how important they are?

As for "f*cking earning your spot," does that include the two CPF congressmen who ignored the meta-game Congressional Rules of Order to propose jacking up the work tax and the minimum wage apparently for teh lulz? TheAnaconda's proposal was a serious one, made in good faith, and was voted into law despite his breach of the CRoO. Were your two merry pranksters a premeditated plot against your beloved democracy, or were they two jackasses who jumped on your congressional ticket and got elected because you have more spots than you have serious, engaged people (or because the list order got bugged out on election day)?

I don't care for UF's poaching tactics anymore than CPF does, but if McVicker has taught eCanada anything, it's that bribery is perfectly legitimate in eCan politics.

MDP is not willing to be complacent and allow one party to dominate the nation (unless it's us, which would obviously be for the best), simply because it is resting on the laurels of having superior numbers and a history. Why should UF be any different?

For numbers it really wasn't a point I was trying to drive at, since I said it didn't really matter. You elected more, had a better turnout yes, that was 2 weeks ago. Simply saying they have risen fast in terms of apparent numbers.

"Meta" game aspect is important, and has been important for the Canadian Community and Government. The Forum has been used by Congress and the Executive to an extent for how long? I see no valid proposal to change that yet.

Since we are #1 we can't have bad apples? I never said we are perfect, nor that every elected member is an ideal candidate. Did the Speaker not punish them or something? I can't change game mechanics Xander, good try though.

When hasn't bribery been a part of eCan politics? You think parties say "hey, join us and get nothing in return?" What did I say about their poaching tactics? You are asking about things that I don't even talk about, but its pretty clear you really aren't out to listen, rather just run your mouth.

Again I don't think you actually read what people write, you buzz over it, read what you want to hear and turn around and attack. MDP is a great party, and I sure as shit hope it doesn't become complacent or they should kick your ass out. I clearly said MDP offers a lot to Canada, and if we want a healthy CPF, we need a healthy MDP or new second party to ensure there is constructive work going on. One party should not dominate the landscape, and we know that is not happening here.

Respect is earned

Easy there, cowboy. My criticism was not meant as an attack.

Leave it to me to defend the damn commies....

Implying that they have not earned their spot is false. I may not agree with how they got there, but they got there. And now they have to fight to stay there, the same as everyone else.

By that token, they must be held to the same standards as everyone else. We can't have one set of rules for the "O.G." parties and another for the new kids. Why bring up the idea that they bribed members to join their party if you admit that bribery is the accepted thing in eCan politics?

Perhaps my criticism is misdirected, as I have no real issue with your article itself (and I do appreciate the relatively positive light you shine on MDP - a refreshing change of pace). The real issues lie elsewhere, but they are relevant to the discussion.

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As awful as the MDP is, Xander, at least they're members of the Canadian community and obviously not part of a PTO

At least not of the country, anyway.

#IWremembers
#Yoloswag

(Errors caused me to have to re-post this so many times. Sorry.)

Brucie, it's nonsense like this that prompted my long-winded criticism/tirade in the first place. Next time you accuse me of making "baseless accusations" against your puppet-master, I'll point back at this load of codswallop and rub your god-pounding nose in it.

I don't remember accusing you of anything, Snuggle Bear. In actuality, it was a compliment: you may an awful-to-the-core party, but you're not trying to PTO Canada. That's a good thing!

At worst, I merely suggested the possibility that, at one time, the Imperial Wolves may have had an inordinate amount of unwanted MDP influence. Just saying.

Unless you're referring to my YOLO swag, that I will defend to the death. I have so much YOLO swag, my hats all say I ❤ Haters. My YOLO swag could fill hollowed-out mountains.

How is MDP 'awful to the core' Bruce?

Good post, Smoke! 🙂 o7

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The CPF has always proven that it is the premier party of Canada. :3

I don't really understand the thrust of this article. Are you saying that because UF pays for members they are a threat to eCan? I really can't accept that, it's really just another tactic to gain membership, not an attack at the nation.

"Thrust"

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I highlighted where I say member count doesn't matter. The underlying message is the party has become a common name lately, and if they want to stay where they are, if they mean to be a solid party in Canada, they will need to prove it. Why has the CPF, MDP, IW, PFC, Muppet party remained where they are? Because they offer something to Canada that the others can't. Each offers something unique, some are more productive or engaged than the others, so I am saying lets see what you have to offer UF.

Also commented in Xanders reply that in ways every party pays their members.

Fair enough. I do see their congress members trying to contribute on the forums, so I wouldn't exactly say that they're not contributing...

Indeed there are, but there are also a number that have plainly stated the Meta aspect, the CRoO and the forums are useless. If they want to try and change something that has been a huge part of eCanadian culture, then right on, but lets hear why. CW couldn't 😒

Everything you accuse and use as a base of attack against the UF of doing DMV has done to a much greater extent himself. Less than 5 months ago he pledged 100CAD a week to anyone in the MDP during the build up to his attempt to become Dictator. He's also blatantly and openly paid for votes on election day, and with the help of Jonathon Edwards has completely subverted the democratic process of Government on the forums. He's also forged his "Reich" or "Coalition" by creating strawmen and using cronyism to further subvert democracy at the party level.

These are all actions which the CPF railed against when Rolo did them 2 years ago, and yet today you not only accept and revel in it, but with articles like this seem to encourage it.

I pulled myself out of political limbo all those months ago to save the MDP from the scourge that had taken hold of my party, hopefully someone in the CPF sees the cancer that is growing and does what's necessary to cut it out.

I have a lot of respect for a lot of people in the CPF but every week and month that passes with nothing being done, and every article like this one extolling and bragging about your dominance of the politosphere with no one speaking out about what's right that respect shrinks more and more.

I must have not got my main idea across as well as I thought I did if you could't pick it out with your devil hawk eyes. To the same extent as what I just wrote in response to Leos comment above, this article is not about how the UF gets their members. I've offered food and tanks to our members for several months under the CPF assistance program, now it wasn't me going out and recruiting members with the offer, or poaching members, it was aimed at people already in the party, yet it could be seen as paying party members.

I bolded the part where it says the member count thing isn't important here. What I continued to say was if they want to be a party that is respected and deserves a strong voice, then lets see what they got. MDP hasn't stuck around this long simply because they have angry avatars and smoke marlboro cigarettes, its because you guys get shit done right?

As for the Coalition, what Coalition? I have not said the CPF is apart of any sort of Coalition. To DMV, Bruce or whoever, the CPF is not apart of any sort of group, I think its pointless and unnecessary. Next time you see mention of it let me know and I can ensure that I respond to it.

I wasn't commenting on the UF member surge either. I was commenting on the CPF's perceived position on DMV's latest antics.

Rolo was the devil, and yet DMV doing the same thing is heralded as the second coming.

DMV released articles proclaiming the creating of his "Reich" and his hand picked successor and the CPF tripped over themselves to make him their nominee.

Hell, the first comment on your very own article is from Bruce spouting support of this new "Coalition" and you don't bother to set him straight.

Whether you feel the CPF is a part of whatever they're doing or not at this point has very little impact on the optics of the situation. This "Coalition" has been touted, and shouted for for weeks now and your comment here is the first time I've seen anyone from the CPF take any stand on it that wasn't completely supportive.

Then an article like this comes out where you extol the political juggernaut that is the CPF, but at the same time refuse to acknowledge how the sausage is made. What do you expect the rest of us to think?

Ardy was the better Candidate right?

Yes Rolo and DMV are the same, just as you are saying.

Muglack, what exactly has this so called Coalition done? There is a lot of hot air here, but where is the actual fire. CPF, IW, and PFC have done what as a tri-force?

Was Ardikus the better candidate? I think so. He's been involved in eCanadian politics at every level for years. He's never done anything that left people wondering what his motives were, and he's always been positive and active.

Lighteninghands showed up 2 months ago, formed the caboose on DMV's human centipede, and did nothing but attack, insult, and demean other members of the community.

From the outside looking in it very much appeared like DMV picked his successor and the "Coalition" quickly fell in line with their nominations for President.

And while you might think my position is little more than hot air I can't help but notice you don't go out of your way to disavow the CPF's involvement in the "Coalition". You don't bother to say anything in comments of your own article praise the "Coalition" let alone bothering to comment on entire articles praising it.

Your silence speaks volumes.

So I guess if Bruce sinks this ship, Ardy can come swooping in and save us all then!

Danced around the question pretty good there Mugsie, again what has this Coalition actually done? Give some details and I will try and go around saying no to the comments so all of eCanada knows and doesn't have to be worried anymore!

Anything Bruce does in the name of the "Coalition" can be laid at the feet of the CPF.

Look at his latest article and the half truths, spin, and out right lies he tells while claiming that anyone who stands against the "Coalition" will be forced to kneel before it's might.

It doesn't matter if it exists or not. Bruce claims it does, does things in it's name, and aside from Funky in the most recent article, no one has said a damn thing to deny it.

It's not about me dancing around questions. It's about you letting your name get dragged through the mud and not doing a damn thing to stop it, then when people tell you that you're getting covered in shit claiming you have no idea what they're talking about.

If it wasn't real you'd speak out against it. The fact that you haven't tells everyone all they need to know.

why is the eWorld full of so much hypocrisy?

We don't pay for members - our members earn a high wage in our commune system and this is only an option some time AFTER joining us.

Your party has openly supported the buying of election votes - we have never bought election votes and never will.

We don't need, or even want, your respect. Your article has proven the hypocrisy we face each day.

There's no respect in this coalition your party is a part of, there's just butt-kissing and blind following. You haven't earned anything, you're merely using dwindling membership numbers as a weapon to muscle out any competition.

I don't think I need to say more, the comments here speak volumes about the community's perception of both parties. Both parties use underhanded tactics, yes; but the United Front are at least honest about it and willing to listen to compromise.

I believe I offered to sit down with UF and work out a compromise so that we can prove UF harbors no ill will towards the community. I still have not received a response to that offer.

I don't recall seeing the offer, though I'm happy to hear what you had in mind.

I'm also keen on Lelouch's "supreme court" idea if it comes to it - a formal chance to present our case will give us the opportunity to provide all of the facts.

Why on Earth would Sheogorath need to "compromise" because of YOUR allegations?

YOU are the one making the accusations. YOU are the one who needs to provide proof of misdeeds.

Remember all those times you turned this around on me when I accused you of treachery? Even though we both know what you did or tried to do? Yeah. It's like that, but the shoe is on the other god-pounding foot.

Xander, go suck a bag of d*cks. Grown folks are talking.

Evidently not.

You don't pay for members, you just pay them in a Commune system? Sounds like paying, but regardless who cares, like I said in the bolded part of my article, numbers don't matter.

Our party has? Show me where I said that please. You're and ugly child, until both are proven, its just slander...

Rebel without a cause, Billy Idol sings it best.

Again when have I said the CPF is in a Coalition. Perhaps DMV or Bruce may have said this, but you know as I do, you should ask the person in charge if you want the real answer.

We haven't earned anything, so you mean to say the CPF is a worthless, do nothing party that should disappear? Nice!

You said quite specifically that we pay people so that they join us. The commune system is a membership benefit when they're already an established member. The two facts are really quite different.

There's plenty around about the MDP PTO a few months back - I'm sure you'll find it with ease. While it wasn't your party's official stance, you didn't condemn it and many of your members even supported it.

Whether the coalition is official or not, a de facto agreement certainly exists.

And at the moment, yes. United Front fight for eCanada, pay taxes and generally contribute in whatever ways we can. Isolating us from the community is a stupid move if your priorities lay with eCanada's success, not your election success.

You or any other party members have never contacted new players saying they can be paid if they join your party?

If eRep had a better email system I would go back and show you the emails where I said the party stands. I do not support PTOs because I don't like when people try to PTO us. Only makes sense to stand against something I don't agree with. I can only give you my word, doubt you care but its the truth.

There is no Coalition de facto, partial, informal, formal, truce, bruce, or spruce agreement. Harp the same string but when it was recently brought up by bruce, I firmly stated there is no such coalition, or at least not including us.

My article is saying lets see what you got. I was hoping to get a response along the lines of "Cocky article Smoke, you want to see work? Our members are doing X, Y, Z, we also plan to start this or that, we have already done this, and you better watch out cause the UF is here to stay."

If I would have heard something like that, someone accepting to do work ahead I would have been like well shit, I stirred the bee hive, we got some good competition here fellers.

I still think you guys have a lot of potential, just wish I would see more work like attitude then complaining about X, Y and Z.

"I am sure many MDP members here can agree that I may be an asshole at times, and I will gladly return the compliment as I have butt heads with them throughout the past."
- B*tch, please. ;P

No one of our members have to show you anything, we do our own game you do yours.We don't want to hurt Canada or steal anything, we have enough money we don't need more.
Excusatio non petita acusatio manifesta.You talked about UF,that means you already have us in mind 😉

The game is eRep, we play the same game buddy 😉

"We have enough money we don't need more." I don't get this, who said anything about stealing money? Whats on your mind is perhaps a better question.

The article is aimed at the UF, obviously its on my mind. I will presume English is not your first language and perhaps your message didn't come across the way you meant it? I am currently working in Mexico and I know the feeling 😒

You spoke about that we, in some way should gain the respect of the community, if not we won't be recognised as a part of it.If you write an article about us and community that's already a proof that we are in the Canadian community and that's what the quote means . Excusatio non petita acusatio manifesta.