[CP] On MU funding
Jacobi
Step into my office, please.
Since the tax change set in motion by this mercifully almost done Congress our revenues as a country have been cut in half. Latest projections by the Minister of Finance (also me) show that we will not be able to afford the current budget amount when Congress goes to donate it on September 7. The money simply won’t be there to do it.
Back when I was President three years ago, and President a year and a half ago, the idea behind MU funding was that we would give the bulk of the money to the CAF and then TCO because they would follow government orders and could be counted upon to hit at exactly the right time at exactly the right place. The other reasons for funding, military build up and community building and etc were distant seconds. Now every MU that wants to gets funding, and the government’s ability to direct MU attacks come down to the hope they listen to orders. The same level of control isn’t as possible in today’s decentralized MU world, and thus I must ask, what exactly are we paying for?
At the very least funding at our present rate of revenues mean MUs should expect a third or less of their present funds -- about $100000 per donation term considering what we’ve got to work with. The free MPPs we’ll get with this alliance contest can help draw that out a little while but after that the spigot runs dry. Considering that $100,000 over 10 days for 400 fighters is about a tank a day for everyone, maybe it’s time to reprioritize our MU funding.
My proposal for thought is this: We build up a reserve for the CP/MoD to use for specific battles with the Revenue Canada org, I’d say $30000 to $50000, so that funding can be used in a coordinated fashion to secure specific battles of national importance. The money would be refilled after the CP/MoD explained how the money was used before and why. The rest of the unallotted treasury funding could be held within the treasury with each MU holding a “share” of the money equal to their size of active fighters, we can use something like egov4you because we don’t require anything too specific. Once their share reaches a certain amount for an infrastructure purpose, they can petition Congress to release those funds so they may use it to increase their sufficiency. For regular daily funding, MUs are on their own.
This isn’t a policy of government, but merely an idea to build upon. The reality of our financial situation isn’t going away, and with the new tax change the need to discuss our options has become even more pressing.
But what are your thoughts? Should Canada continue to fund MUs at all? Should it raise taxes again?
I’d certainly be eager to hear from Congressional candidates too.
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Use the funding for Mercs, eCanadian MU's get priority for merc funding, but take what you can get at the moment that you need it
Mercs win battles... Period
nothing to see here folks its all part of the AFK's plans...and those that voted for such a drastic cut to taxes
Continue funding MUs with greater priority to building infrastructure, but daily supplies should still continue at a reduced rate.
As Rolo sai😛 Mercs win battles
Leave taxes for now, economy (and consumers) is still stabilizing.
crisfire: We have 4 Congressmembers. This means more CPF members voted for these tax cuts than AFK.
Seriously, don't do the Funky thing and shift blame to anyone except your own.
Let all the MU's supply themselves if they want to supply their members, and anyone who doesn't get supplied has to spend their own money and work for the supplies, should they even want them. And as the government slowly builds up money in the treasury, have occasional tank give away's. My opinion.
i did say and those that voted for it
As to the situation, it is of more long term benefit to us than any amount of MU funding.
Rolo and Mary Chan both have offered up the most strategically viable options.
okay, but it's gonna hurt some more than others
A bit unfair they had no warning, yet in eRep, the unexpected is to be expected and self-sufficiency was long ago demonstrated.
Mercs...does that mean IRC now gets priority? Let's not go in that direction, please.
oh yeah, winter is coming. I think we just saw a few fresh flakes fall.
Voted!
Yes Taxes should return to near previous levels. Yes funding to MUs should be continued but far more emphasis on infrastructure building should be part of the deal. Some MUs have infrastructure, others have very little or none in eCanada. Cutting funding entirely is going to force some of our MUs to effectively shut down or expel many of their members. Likely overflowing the MUs that have some infrastructure.
Without funding, our fighters aren't going to hit very hard.
Goran Thrax
On the Bright Side!
Anyone that isn't getting supplied by MU's that rely on this funding, feel free to hop on over to Holy Order if you have 8k Str or higher.
We have 7 slots left, are self-sustainable, and donate 12 Q7's a day.
May Mitos, Disarys, and Palaero show you the Way,
The Venerable Prophet
And yet when I suggested that taxes needed to stay where they were a month ago I had people jumping down my throat for it......
I'd like to take this time to say..... TOLD YOU SO..... Perhaps experience DOES count for something hunh???
You can't run a nation on such little taxes and expect to keep taking money out of it.......
Oh really Venerable, I am sure we would all love to hear how you've made Q7 production sustainable. Do you keep 3/4ths of your membership toiling away without remuneration to supply a few of your members with 12 Q7's a day? Or perhaps you are paying the production cost out of your pocket? We saw how sustainable that was in Rylde's Roughnecks.
Goran Thrax
Libertarian says No.
What about using some of the gold accumulated to pass out to some of the MUs to get them closer to self-sufficienct?
Wow, Goran. You seem to be a little testy.
Anyway, I'll point you here: http://www.erepublik.com/en?viewPost=6874532
Farther down on that shout, I comment: "I have two Q7 companies in eUS, one in eCan, and will soon have another in eUS. As for wrm, we produce nearly 60k daily, which leaves us with a lot of profit to keep upgrading infrastructure."
Congratulations Jacobi.
You just did in less than a month what Rolo's been trying to do for 2 years.
You've basically killed Canada.
Thanks for coming back.
I supply all but 4 of my 18 members 12 Q7 daily, and those 4 get 25 Q6.
This is to allow myself to continue upgrading infrastructure, which is at about a rate of 10 Salt Peters per week.
Higher taxes => less active citizenship, as they move to countries with lower taxes => less incoming taxes.
We've had a slow bleed in revenue before the cut to taxes. This just emphasizes the biggest issue in eCanada => We are losing players.
Raising taxes would only fix the income issue temporary.
I laughed when before the taxes were cut some members of congress wanted to raise taxes even beyond the old levels to compensate for the losing revue. Brilliant.
fox: consider please ....
1. high vat increases government revenue and producer's revenue since I will be selling almost exclusive black market which gives me a greater effective sale price. No one buys anything on the market for their own use so that won't scare anyone away. I.e. the bot is the only one really buying and we are effectively taxing not citizens but the bot
2. high income tax increases government revenue and it doesn't affect citizens at all, cause they don't pay it.
well done jacobi, in the eUK battles you told us to follow your orders and not fight against tjem or our funding gets cut for going against you, now you tell us to follow your orders and we still get reduced funding.
slow clap for you spastic
Military units should be given money while taking in account how many member do they have.
MU funding should never be even questioned. That is simply not acceptable.
To be honest, lower taxes plus 1 q7 tank daily is much better than 8 q6 tanks daily but with high taxes. You know why ? Because that 8 q6 tanks are not even close enough to satisfy my needs. And I'm not a strong player that can tank a lot. I have to buy tanks either way so lower taxes are just fine for me.
taxes look like a pile of crap, this was not the plan i started when i rebuilt the countries economy. of course why build reserves if rolo can't steal them right, takes the point right out of it
High taxes are easily avoided by moving out or by black market. Lower taxes aren't a guarantee that enough people will change their habits so that it'll count.
Let's be honest, people who care more for money will go to countries with 100% bonus, regardless of the taxation system. Will Canada have all resources? Probably not in the near future.
So what keeps this country together? MU's and parties. Is a big reserve going to help Canada in a battle? Probably, but how about in war?
Cutting MU funding in the future is not a option. Sure, some MUs may try or are already SS. The thing is MUs can always go rogue if they want to so a balance is required to keep us all together.
A vision is what we all need.
Ok taxes where cut and simply the money isn't there. You have to blame one of two things since there are two organs at play here. First there is the CP and the congress. Congress had to vote it in. So the pressure should be the congress not the CP since it was not an executive order to pass it. Problems like this is why I think canada keeps on placing blame on the wrong people. Register for the ecan forums and click here its not that hard. https://ecanada.cc/forums/index.php
Amusing.
shadow shadow-president here:
1. congress has decided that the comptroller misappropriated $226,390.92 (likely misadvertent) and must ensure this amount is sitting idle in Ministry of Finance.
2. A donation of 340,000 is scheduled in a few days. The comptroller will therefore have 113,000 dollars to distribute to MUs. This represents a cut in funding of about 72%
3. If the donation were to be made right now instead of in two days, the country would have 30,000 left in treasury
4 Tax revenue appears to be about 10k/day, so ecanada will have about 50,000 in treasury in a few days.
5. If canada wants to sign 25-30 Mpps each month, at 10k each, it has no dollars for Mu funding, whether for mercs or otherwise.
6. This is only a tentative view, pending further advice from the shadow shadow Minister of Finance.
shadow shadow minister of Finance here.
The above stated by CP oliver is indeed correct. We are at present going through great trials in regards to cash flow. Our MPP's are vitally necessary to the country, but are probably the most important thing we can fund. While I believe they can be cut back, the shadow shadow minister of foreign affairs should look into which if any can be dropped to free up funding. I also strongly encourage any funding going to MU's to be used immediately...
....for the purpose of self sustainment. Without such our MU's are doomed to failure. Goran Thorax has previously done an excellent delving into how this could be brought about so he should be brought in to discuss these matters.
Hahahaha - Aeriala thinks that HE fixed the Economy...
All Aeriala did was dodge a bunch of Impeachments
just barely....
Then he got run off to the US when he got banned from the eCan forums (As CP)
Tax and spend. Any other economic system is little more than hocus pocus vote buying. If the money is not coming in, how then can it be spent? If we as a nation can afford to spend on multiple MUs then so be it, if not, then the money that can be spent has to be spent wisely, say on a streamlined, responsible unit like the CAF. The truth hurts...
^ "say on a streamlined, responsible unit like the CAF"
Bahahahahahahahaha
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Responsible Unit like CAF???
I Lol'd in RL......
My point, dear Rolo, is that rather than spreading tax money towards multiple MUs, when time is tough, would it not be more prudent to spend it on one streamlined and responsible unit... whether that be the CAF, or another unit. This is about how taxpayer's money is collected and spent, not about a particular unit.
When we're not in direct conflict we should be banking our treasury for times of need, with pointed specific focuses on official MU infrastructure.... Force MU's and citizens to become self sustaining - no more using your hard worker medals to buy energy bars, and Q7's when you dont need them. When citizens upgrade their PERSONAL infrastructure, the government can then use treasury funds to increase effectiveness when eCanada has a direct military mission or defense
This is likely what is was like on Easter Island the last 20 years before it's society collapsed. They turned to the Bird Man and that failed to save them too.
I agree with much of that Rolo, and it kinda feeds into my idea of funding only one MU. Spending Canada's defense money wisely, not throwing it willy nilly to any old MU, fortunate enough to attract enough members. Checks and balances, prudence, intelligent, policy, not ego driven governance, that's what I want. Yep, I dream in technocolor.