[CP] Government Tax Expenditure
Sweet Drinker
Taxes seem to the big topic this term. I'm due a decent article out now so it might as well be on this topic!
With the change to Erepublik's taxation module there's been a lot of questions thrown around about;
"Why is the government so secretive about tax revenue?"
"What is the government spending my taxes on?"
Well firstly, there is no secrecy regarding taxes.
Anybody can scrutinize our taxes at will:
As you can see, not only is it possible to monitor any removals of treasury money, but the government obviously isn't looking for much of it!
There are other government activities which can cause money to be deducted from our treasury:
*Buy Buildings (hasn't been done in years)
*Declare War (costs a fortune in gold pointlessly, we've never done this)
*Airstrike (Ireland hasn't done this...yet)
*Mutual Protection Pact (your taxes go here)
But all of them are permanently documented in the country-administration logs, and the money from can only ever go to the admins.
The incontrovertible fact is that your taxes are spent entirely on MPP's.
So while this answers some questions, it obviously raises another:
"How does the government pay for anything if it doesn't draw on our taxes?"
The Irish government relies on two sources to finance it's programs:
Philanthropy
The Bank
Philanthropy can be donations of weapons, food, and cash. Or volunteering the use of private assets like factories to house our military. Even peoples' time is a donation of sorts.
The National Irish Army is mainly financed by asset volunteering. The Ministry of Community is mainly financed by donations.
The Bank is a dynamic National Trust Fund managed by a team of economic enthusiasts. It operates on donations, loans, investments, the reminents left after the great heist, and it's own accrued wealth.
It's purpose is to generate assets for the benefit and protection of our nation.
It does so by investing in various programs from passive GoldFish to aggressive commodity investment and anything in between.
Due to the strategic nature of it's stockpiles, capital, and activity, detail of what the Bank is up to aren't disclosed.
But The Bank team are committed to improving the nation's financial well being.
And you can rest assured they're not doing it with your tax money!
So with everything so simple you may wonder:
"What's all this stuff about secret revenue activity I see i the media ad nauseum?"
That all goes back to well over a year ago.
Erepublik's economic module has mutated many times. To financial enthusiasts the Erepublik we play now is an entirely different game to the one we played in the past.
At that time it was possible to 'prime' a national economy by plugging The Bank's assets into it, making recirculating revenue streams possible that accumulated capital.
It was also possible to target other nations' economies for highly predatory gold extraction.
-These various practices earned eIreland serious advantages over our rivals in the field of military funding.
-They could also earn us some unkindly thoughts from nations whose economies had been raided by us.
So any financial data of that time deemed a risk to our strategic advantage, or international standing, was never disclosed.
And with a finacial system that wired the The Bank and Treasury into a circuit, basically any information on State Finances at the time was a security risk.
While there are no financial reports to read from that time, the effectiveness of the Government's program funding tells a lot.
The National Weapons Program alone was a seven figure operation.
The combined State Expenditure for the August 2012 Term broke a million IEP. (the one where Poland wiped us)
The GoldFish and Dividends programs from that time account for well over a million IEP also.
So the next time you wonder "what those goons in government are doing with my tax money?".
You can check the country-administration page and say to yourself "Nothing! Just signing some MPP's."
Sw33t
Comments
Well, voted of course.
Voted Sweet. Thanks for the info.
Good article, four questions:
How many MPP can Irelands current taxes pay for each month?
How much money does the bank generate a month currenty and what are the profits spent on?
What percent of the profits are distributed to the citizens and what percent go to rebuilding the resevers?
Besides Apple and yourself who are the accountants that manage the countries bank?
I was wondering about the last question as well.
Also, I was wondering whether or not there is any congressional oversight mechanism at all over the Bank's resources, or if we are just expected to take the CP's word that they are being used purely for public goods. I understand and respect the strategic need for secrecy, and I have no reason to suspect that any bank funds have actually been misused, but can the Bank records not even be looked over periodically by a highly-trusted representative(s) from congress? It seems to me that it would be a relatively safe and easy way to end all this rabble about finances from your opponents. Just a thought.
Oh and good article and all that. Very informative.
Sweet knows how much is there but doesn't have org access. Ofc, as CP he has the ability to reset org logins if he feels it's necessary.
I've offered this for a long time and I'll do it again; Treasury org info is 'need to know' but I have no problem with inquiries from senior trusted players, as approved by the cp.
What highly trusted representative? Unfortunately there are way to many two clicking morons in the Dail.
It's a tall order Stilpo:
An unquestionably nationalist Irishman,,
who has a decent understanding of game finance,
and isn't involved in the Bank alrdy.
So... Bhane
Voted
Your pick is outdated. We have 500 more gold than you show.
Nice fighting!
Good article, interesting. Voted
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I'd like to start a debate about how to use our new gold windfall. There are many possible uses for this money and I'd like public input.
I will be putting out an article soon about the initial progress of our tax plan.
Damn... this article is pretty educational is stuff... so I'm going to like... put it into the national library.
You missed that you fund the Irish Army? If all you do is sign MPP's still why the secresy. Also why didnt you give pertinent information out when work tax started.Someone proposed a week deliberation? and you voted down the obvious choice proposal and even went as far as to gather support for the NO vote. Why?
How'd I miss IA, it's right there in the article!
What secrecy? Tax revenue is public domain
I suggested a wk to study the effects of the new tax. That recommendation was made before the tax was instituted. When the tax was introduced an undiscussed Congress Proposal to lower the rate made. The majority of Congress supported it. I'm fine with that, if I'd known how ridiculous the Average Wage calculation would work out, I'd never have suggested an entire wk study tbh.
but you shouted for congress to vote No why? That bill only passed with my intervention. and your friends again tried to subvert a common sense proposal. just admit it it was the biggest fail in your reign that we know of?
I don't think this is quite the scandal you are trying to spin it into, Krak. The day moved from "no to a rogue proposal" to "The 1% is the right thing to do anyway" in an organic way. There were many factors for the shift through the day.
I did my part to push for the "yes" votes. The motives for "no" votes were not sinister.
where they "stupid"? i never claimed they were sinister but it was incompetence. in that regard they were a fail.
Fair 'nuf... I accept you were not implying sinister.
Calling the no votes "stupid" might be too harsh a word.
Maybe premature, or uninformed would be better. People made those votes before all the aspects of the issue had come to light. I understand why they voted no, even if it was the wrong vote after all the angles had been reviewed.
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Can someone be so kind and clarify situations with orgs?
Some of them:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/2243373
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/2280192
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/2317385
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/2611726
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/2946734
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3374465
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3647453
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3829745
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3913221
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3926862
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/3929905
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4032408
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4046470
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4046483
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4046490
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4046494
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4046501
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/4197768
Are some of them rented and whet is the origin of money on some of them and for what will that money be used?
I ask in spirit of fairness not provoking since i am new aprentice within Appleman ministry..a lazy and stupid one but still aprentice...
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We control all orgs. I have access to all at any time but share access to about a third with assistants. Not all of the money in the orgs belongs to the state, we have money in there on long term 0% loans from rich patriots.
can you define rich patriots? and why? seems your misappropriating state mechanisms for private gain.
i know roisin dahn - the black rose org belong to the kunts as they were the once concerned when i published a pic of it with some stats.
All profits are kept by the state, there is no private gain. I won't go into the ancient history of every state org because it doesn't matter. They are all used for the profit of the state only now.
but can you give a figure? also this does not make much sense . so your saying with the robberies their money was stolen as well. and you rebuild their money as well? why did you delete your last tax article. im afraid to say with you its all clouds and mirrors. i dont think even sweet knows what goes into that mess you call the states finances.
appleman comment deleted..
the normal response you can add under here 😛
What apple was saying is that some donors gave the Irish government some money on a loan, the donor will get just their money back at the end of the loan while the government will keep all of the profit they made from this money.
There is no great thefts, there are only dirty thefts.