[CP] France-United Kingdom Renting Agreement [DEBATE]
Day 3,008, 15:53
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by 10 Downing Street
Since I became President, we have held several meetings with the French authorities to try and reach a deal in regards to the occupation of the UK. Together with Aaron Mark Daniels and Paul Tyndale, I've held many discussions with France on this very issue. And, after a week of tough debating, we've reached a deal. The negotiations didn't go smooth - we pulled terms our way and they pulled terms their way. But, at last, we reached a deal. And now, I am bringing it forward to a public, nationwide debate.
The Agreement (Copy and paste the link to see it):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DkL2-Zt9YAmbdT1aBXdfM-7ALSGhKAUI3Hp02Q59ItM/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Pros:
-45,000 CC renting fee
-100% of our taxes returned to us
-4 full bonuses and 2 half bonuses
Cons:
-Still under occupation
-Only 4 bonuses
-Small renting fee
There it is. Have a good look at it. You will see the terms are harsh. But we are in a harsh situation internationally. Don't be mistaken, we've fought tooth and nail for the agreement to have its current form. The original deal that France proposed had us having only 2 full bonuses, for example. We did not bow down to them. But we did know we would have to compromise. And we compromised. Is the deal good for the UK? Yes and no. Yes because we will have some stability, will not be totally wiped out and will have stable income flowing in. On the contrary, we will still be under occupation, have only 4 bonuses and will not be able to participate fully economically. This deal is bigger than the government - it's about the path we take as a country - and everyone must be involved in decision making.
The cabinet has differing views on this. But we will not be deciding whether we sign this deal or not. You will. We want your opinion to be heard, so feel free to use this article as a debate platform and discuss this issue. We will listen to every suggestion, feedback and criticism. And we will make a decision based on your comments.
This debate will last for 48 hours, after which I will open a new article for actual votes in the referendum to be cast.
The government has no official stance on this. All cabinet ministers are free to vote as they wish.
Is this a lousy deal? Yes. It is. But we're in a very lousy position internationally. Is it acceptable? Yes, in my personal opinion, but only as a temporary measure. Am I happy with the agreement? No, of course not. But that's life.
I will be having a PMQs session tomorrow at 8 PM GMT where you will be able to ask me anything regarding the negotiations process as well as other issues. Make sure to join the channel #massdebate and participate!
DISCLAMER: The government is not trying to tell you what to think. We negotiated a deal, we have differing views on it and now we debate. You are free to have whatever stance you like, but the government itself will not root for any option but will remain neutral so the public can have the final say.
Let the debating begin!
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The Agreement: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DkL2-Zt9YAmbdT1aBXdfM-7ALSGhKAUI3Hp02Q59ItM/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Can't read it due to don't have and won't want a google account. Maybe there is a another, more open way?
Copy and paste the link please. Erep blocks links when you directly click on them.
yes just publish it in the article
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-euk-euk-france-peace-proposal--2582954/1/20
Please let people see the agreement inside the game
Wasn't the first deal 60k a month ?
Yep. But that was the original version when we only had 2 bonuses. Now we have 4 full bonuses and 2 half bonuses so the renting fee was reduced.
You are not explaining the braked own in bonus and what this means in terms of production for citizens
break down
complains about not being able to see agreement in game
posts helpful criticism of said agreement having read it
you are great 😉
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-euk-euk-france-peace-proposal--2582954/1/20
This outcome is much better than our current situation; it delivers both bonuses and a rental income which we currently do not have access too.
Approved.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-euk-euk-france-peace-proposal--2582954/1/20
You really need to spam that 3 times ?
yes
What are the 4 bonuses for food, weps ?
2 of each - SE Eng and London are Food, whilst E Midlands and E England are Weapons
I tell you but this information should have been included in the article
We keep, South East food 20% ,London Food 20% ,East of England Weapons 20%,East midland weapons 20%
So Food 40% and Weapons 40% no house bonus if I;m correct ?
correct
N. Ireland and Scotland are the 2 half bonuses which are both House.
Although this deal is better than our current full wipe, I would only agree to it if it's temporary (while a proper solution is worked out, nudge nudge etc)
I've already provided my views of something like that to the government (wink wink)
My thoughts on this:
- Dropping down to just 4 bonuses. Have we calculated how much of a loss this will be for us in the long run?
- Despite clause 4 what power do France have to step up to someone like Argentina and tell them not to attack our remaining regions?
- The eUK used to pay Norway 60k per month for 2 regions, why is France only paying 45k for 4?
- What measures are in place if France is unable to keep control of one of its regions from RWs? Will the agreement be automatically broken or will the French use it as an excuse to wipe us again?
- Finally, do you personally think it's a good agreement
Sorry France have 6 regions, we have 4. Got mixed up there. 45k for 6 regions.
I think the answer to your second point would be - If one of France's Asteria partners was to march in and take the rest of the eUK, we would accuse them of a stitch up - you've heard of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact.
So clause 4 is useless if Argentina decided we looked tasty on April 2nd?
But surely they could have already done that anyway if they wished? So therefore it would be extraordinary bad faith by France if such an eventuality were to happen. In any case what would we have lost in comparison with the current situation anyway?
What may have probably stopped Argentina is that we don't currently border them and haven't while they've been in Europe. If someone like them attacked us we'd probably end up with another 'deal' meaning we lose even more land and then it continues until we sign peace treaties with 4 different countries. I'm not saying it will happen obviously but if we're going to weaken ourselves and stop the war with France I'd like to know one of their puppet master isn't just going to move in and take the regions France let go.
I don't think it's a good agreement. The terms are harsh on us. But what's the alternative? Fighting relentlessly with the French just putting COs up over and over again? It's a lousy deal, but we're in a lousy situation. And I think this deal can be accepted as a temporary solution.
What makes in temporary? And do you have any answers for my other questions? I won't have the PMQ tonight so if you could answer them here or provide logs of you answering at PMQ that would be great. Thanks
1- No.
2- They have given an explicit pledge that they'd stop other countries invading us. If it were to happen, though, the deal would naturally be scrapped immediately.
3- Because things are different. When we rented from Norway we did not attack them but agreed to do it. Here, we are under occupation and that is the best figure we could do. If it were up to the French there would be no rental fee, but I immediately protested when they told me that. Then they said '20k'. We said no. In the end, we managed to agree on 45k.
4- The agreement will be broken.
5- Already answered.
Don't you remember the ''Hundred year War''.
Always fight the French,No surrender.
Wait so France could just wipe us tomorrow and break the agreement and fuck all happens?
Also do we have written proof of this pledge? Rather than the vague terms of this deal
While we maybe shouldn't surrender, I wouldn't use the Hundred years war as an example of why
That thing went on for (funnily enough) 116 years. messy
Will fight on, I advise my fellow MPs to vote the same...
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53EubyU_fIQ)
The alternative to a deal, no matter how bad a deal, is no deal at all - which means no bonuses, no taxes returned and no rental agreement. Rejecting a deal does not mean France and her allies will run away with their tales between their legs.
*tails - that should have been!
So all that matters is the money, forget about integroty of regions which should be the overriding reason
Voted
A true politician's speak...
"...we will not be deciding whether we sign this deal or not. You will. We want your opinion to be heard... //... And we will make a decision based on your comments."
LOL
Oh come on. So you would rather that a deal be signed behind closed doors with the public having no say on it than a public referendum?
Not that.
With one sentence you say the public will decide, but two sentences down you say you'll decide.
No, I am saying that the government will make a decision based on the votes of the people.
btw I say NO
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What was Frances first proposal?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-appleby-parliament-help-me-reject-surrendering-to-the-french-2582994/1/20
France / UK. The Renting Agreement
UK, as the country having on its territories: Rubber, Aluminum, Limestone and Deer bonuses, and France are signing together the following Agreement.
The Renting Agreement purpose is to state that France will keep the control over six regions of UK and connect 4 resources to the capital of France and by that action obtain and keep advantage of the Rubber, Aluminum, Limestone and Deer bonuses.
Taking in consideration the RW risks linked to the Determination Bonus rule, a regular “determination reset” period will be scheduled each coming months, making easier to control the regions.
-- Starting Point --
1. France will keep the actual regions under control : South West of England, West Midlands, Yorkshire & Humberside, North West of England, North East of England and Wales
-- Regular activity --
2. UK will NOT launch any NE law or declare war against France, unless this action results from a common agreement for tactical reasons. UK will also NOT open any unagreed RW on the rented regions.
3. If RWs are opened anyway in the rented regions, battles will be closely monitored to avoid the loss of french control. UK will help France to keep control over those regions by ignoring the battle if no particular opposition noticed from the enemy, or by fighting directly on France side !
4. UK and France will discourage their allies from entering the conflict in order to keep things between UK and France.
5. France will ensure UK to have congress every month by releasing a region in case that the rest of UK is completely occupied.
6. France will pay 45.000cc per month of renting fee. It will be a postpaid fee, paid in one time after the reset of the regions every month.
-- Collected Taxes --
7. As a healthy economic measure between countries, France will return to UK 100% of the taxes collected from the rented regions. The money will be given at the end of every week to UK.