Gone with everything, starting with Honesty.
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by F O S I T E
The group that is now advocating the end of the forum and is all about voice of the players ingame.
Why do this after the elections? Why not run on this for the elections? Could it be that despite your talk about "voice of ingame players" Doesn't matter at all, saying it and showing it are 2 different things, and to me what you did shows you guys don't give a damn about the voice of the people ingame.
More so all those currently talking in articles about it, are those that are also on the Forum.
Gone with the Forum, Gone with the Laws and Gone with Dictator.
Why?
"Forum admins are unfair" Which can easily be replaced but no one ever wants that role.
"Gone with laws" Cause i don't even know why, but said laws can also be replaced all you need to do is submit new once and have a vote about it, but i haven't seen those from the cry cry side make any such suggestion.
"Gone with dictator" At high cost and loss protection against PTO, and whiteout a forum and laws, that is a gaurentee.
The side that preaches to be here for the ingame players seems to only want to remove things that have been build over the years, i see no solutions and i see no attempts at them setting up anything new. After the attempted take over of all power by 1 player and hes supporters failed they now all want to destroy what they see as something undemocratic. Yet every eNL player can voice their opinion there and to a degree have a say in matters but they claim its all very undemocratic cause only Odan... In this last issue of NoTie holding all power it wasn't just Odan, it was a large group that opposed to this and not just politicians and party members but that isn't democratic according to the "gone with all" people this is abuse, well than i wonder what is democracy in their mind, cause right now thye preach anarchy.
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The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall .
The most glorious moments in your life are not the so-called days of success, but rather those days when out of dejection and despair you feel rise in you a challenge to life, and the promise of future accomplishments.
Seems to be a bunch of meaningless dribble to me. Revolution isn't a apple.. yea nor is it a fish a banana or a car, nor is this a revolution.
This seems to be a bunch of people angry and there for just trowing a tantrum with out any honesty or plans. You guys are steering us straight into uncontrollable anarchy.
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
An article by Fosite!
""Forum admins are unfair" Which can easily be replaced but no one ever wants that role.
"Gone with laws" Cause i don't even know why, but said laws can also be replaced all you need to do is submit new once and have a vote about it, but i haven't seen those from the cry cry side make any such suggestion.
"Gone with dictator" At high cost and loss protection against PTO, and whiteout a forum and laws, that is a gaurentee."
I agree that we should keep our laws and forum. I'm not a huge forum fan or something like that but some debates should be on forum. There is a middle of the road. we can use discord to distribute a google document between all coongress members, have all members read it and cast their votes using discourt. it would require interaction between CM members and actual live Q&A/debate.
Gone with dictator I don't think it will hurt us that much even when we don't have a forum but considering I agree with you on the first two points I believe we don't have a problem. it's mostly money inefficiënt.
Im am not defending the current forum, im just as said against the drooping of it without any alternatives.
While what you say about google documents might be a option, that would prevent anyone not a senator or politician from having any say on things. Short any ingame player will be completely excluded. Not something this people seem to want, cause their case seems to be the voice of the ingame people.
Also considering the uther lack of activity as is by senators sending a google document around might be to inefficient as well.
Dictator gone, is fine, but i do think without a forum or good alternative that be quite hurtful cause right now its the best protection against a possible PTO, and without forum (good alternative) senators might just start accepting people on their own. Something that has proven to be a issue in the past.
The google document would be e.g. a proposal. The discourt debate is open to anyone who is interested. Private CM debates can br created for votes.
Ah oke gotta, well that could work i guess, but it still requires the forum something i think was the whole point of not being used anymore at all which is just silly and makes for difficult reasoning.
""Forum admins are unfair" Which can easily be replaced but no one ever wants that role.
I started a post to dismiss Odan, you voted against it. Now enjoy the failed forum.
ABSOLUTE BS. I never been a senator so i never got to vote on anything. And this is what i keep getting from you anti forum people. alot of stuff pulled out of very smelly places. But factual correct, no. That is why the headline of honesty gone first.
No exactly YOU but the other CM...
And so what if other CM's vote against that is their right as CM. Which also points to the real issue, people disagree with you guys so you want to get rid of the disagreement by simply removing the platform where the disagreement takes place. instead of coming with good ideas.
You need more than just opening a vote to get rid of a corrupted forum moderator. You have to convince others he is corrupted if they can't see that themselves. You have to make sure the people who are in favor of your proposal support in the voting procedure. Politics is more than just vote according to the ideas of one person. It is discussing things and convincing others about your opinion.
And then if you are able to exclude your personal opinion, then you will have much more real followers than you have now. I'm sure a vote like you proposed will succeed in this case.
After all the forum moderation won't make it easy to get rid off him if he actually is corrupted.
I've profs: screenshots about odan's abuse and this other random moderator who is fucking inactive in-game, but still moderator, did you notice the irony Spir Tus?
Anyway it's impossible to dismiss the people who just delete and close any idea/topic against their agenda.
I am disappointed in you Fosite. I always pictured you as a fair person and respected you for it.
You know what the forum is and what it has become. I would have thought you would be with us on this. But then again maybe you just were not active enough to see what is going on.
I haven't got a clue as in who is representing what that is very true, i dunno if you Shtula and NoTie all speak for the same case or not. But so far i have heard you 3 talk about removal of the Forum, removal of Dictator and removal of the Laws.
All nice and all but where are the alternatives so not everything goes to absolute shit and in that absolute shit some shitheads will take of with the treasury? Or idiots letting in every PTO'er that still lurking around.
So no im not with you guys, i honestly try not to pick sides and in this case you guys picked a side i can't possibly agree with.
Shtula seems to be talking for GPN and you for ReL the 2 biggest parties, and both claim to talk for the people, yet i haven't heard much of members of your parties on articles ingame or on the forum. So you group of loud mouths don't even seem to have your own members convinced on this one, or at all convinced to be ACTIVE congress members.
Far as i can tell the majority of our players just want a few things, active wars they can fight in. Country not wiped or politically taken over by those with ill intend. And if possible some free weapons to fight with, and ofcourse the more active onces that do not give a flying S*** about politics would like info of where to fight and perhaps why. If they wanted to say more they can find this articles or the forum just fine, they aren't dumb they simply tend not to care for most of this "political" stuff.
Ffs I've wrote articles and there's a lot of post and topics closed on forums when I decided to do sown thing against the abuse we are living in that dead forum controlled by a few.
Sorry Fosite this is not an issue that only Gen De La Rey and Shutla are eye on eye on. Missed all the articles and comments, including by people like Spir Tus, Auggustus, Revengge, by me etc who at least agree there are some issues?
And that's exactly what we want to do. You talk about bread and games for the citizens, but thanks to the forum we can't have nice things (i.e. 90% of all votes are forum elections, there is barely any flexibility for progression; essentially we're stalling)
@NoTie, did you read my comments before posting yours?
I made very clear you 3 at that time 2 days ago where the only 3 to be bringing up the removal of those 3 things, but no alternatives where offered by either of you 3.
SpirTus and Revengge aren't arguing for the removal of any of the 3, they are posting alternative ideas to how the forum and laws are now. So don't be putting you 3 with gone with it all in the same group as the people that are offering reasonable alternative ideas.
And how am i talking bread and games? I simply stated what the majority of the soldiers that don't give a damn bout politics want, never said that it would require the forum nor current laws, just pointed out the removal of all 3 would cause the country to collapse which would be the last thing anyone wants.
So for you 2 days later turn around and act like the 3 of you where arguing from a reasonable point of view that is a rich, cause all the 3 of you have said till that point was "remove forum" "remove dictator" "remove laws", and GEN defiantly went further as in declaring that Forum was to not be used anymore and dictator from next month will be removed. And on top off it none of the 3 of you offered any alternatives.
P.S. still haven't seen any of you 3 give any alternatives, and saying ingame, that isn't a alternative as i already pointed out all the problems that would bring.