Christmas Debacle
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by OKayOK
Well, everyone seems to be calming down about the Hun deal. I have tried to remain neutral as possible during the whole "Christmas Debacle" and I think it is high time that I have my say on the matter.
When I first heard about the deal I expressed my disapproval directly to the president. I have no trust in the deal, and I believe that it is a travesty to what we as a country has always stood for.
Secondly, my name is mentioned on the contract. I would like everyone to know that I object to my name being placed on that piece of garbage. I attended one meeting regarding this and it was only to ascertain and judge the attitude of the Huns. I did not agree to, or sign into this contract.
Why I believe it is garbage
It is immoral: the contract represents both a bribe and a reward for people that have oppressed us, cheated their way into power and stolen monies that rightfully belong to the people of eSA. Agreeing to the contract opens us and other small nations up to PTO and it makes it more rewarding for them to do so.
It is Risky: the contract has no means of being enforced. The Huns have successfully closed the doors on the Brazilian solution. So, they got what they want, which is one more month of occupation uncontested, should they want it. As we speak, there is a Hun money transfer being voted on. The Huns have ordered their minions to vote no, but behold, the Huns are voting yes. So we have Huns that show no interest in listening to their leaders who formulated the deal.
It is illegal: I knew about the deal as a Minister, but as a congressman, I was waiting for the deal to be proposed. It never came. I honestly thought that congress would have not let the deal pass and I would have applauded them for that. If congress vote no on the proposal (which I initiated discussion on yesterday after seeing the deal had been enacted) and money is still transferred from the resistance reserve then the players that signed the contract as guilty of theft as the Huns, and should henceforth be considered enemies of the country. I know this sounds harsh, but it is a simple fact. Congress exists for this very reason and due process should not be ignored. Also, before any payment is made, the vote has to run for 24 hours and the speaker has of yet not initiated the vote, so no money for the Huns for at least another 24 hours.
I support my president and would like to stand by his side, but after waiting for 24 hours for an address from him regarding the recent issues and eventually getting a dismal excuse for an address, I will no longer stand by his side on this issue.
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you impressed me Mark you get a vote maybe we need to talk about being on kinder terms
Voted.
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Wow... I definately feel like a douche Mark. I definately assumed too much, like everyone, that you were a huge part of the deal. I called you out on it, immaturely, and am sorry.
Voted. I can't believe they just put your name on it like that.
This article is so full of nonsense, it doesnt deserve to be read.
Right now I'm thinking that a resistance against the Resistance might not be such a bad idea. The leadership clearly lost touch with it's employers, us..
@ Tronyx: Which part?
By the way, Brazilian contract also had no means of being enforced.
German, a country concurred via military means is way easier to fix than a deadlocked PTO that has lasted 6 months. Yes, there is no way to enforce it, but from a geo-political point of view Brazil NEEDED to prove itself to its new allies. The assistance they would offer to eSA meant they would have gained a friendly new friend right next door, important regions that would have completed their RAW capabilities and the trust and friendship of its allies.
The Huns gain 500G and then they can just go back on it. I choose the Brazilians
Agreed and voted.
"This article is so full of nonsense, it doesnt deserve to be read."
So an opinion is nonsense, and doesn't deserve to be read?
Finally, an article that doesn't insult the players that agree with the deal.
Respect.
Voted.
I value your opinion a lot, Mark.
But something that just makes me feel suspicious about this (not conclusive, though) is that you're just telling us NOW that you didn't agree or sign the contract. It's been over 2 days.
From a legal and/or moral perspective you should have said this right away--which you didn't. So you can see where I might be skeptical, yet respectful, of how you disagreed from the start. Indeed, I thought some of your language in the last 48 hours sounded a lot like support for the agreement.
So I ask you as a friend and colleague...why are you finally saying this now? I hope someone as upstanding as yourself wouldn't be snaking around political gain.
Indeed, I checked again. On the forums you said this:
"From the looks of it, it appears that the deal with the HUN PTO group is sealed. It is in fact not because congress needs to approve the transfer of the 500g to the Hungarian Bastards.
I think we should, and I understand why the CP has gone as far as he has because of time restrictions. I also believe that the envoy that worked with the Hungarians have done their best. I was listed as being on the envoy, but it was limited due to me not being online.
Can we please discuss this as ratify the CPs/VPs decisioned with regards to this by clearing the transfer of 500g ASAP"
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You can see where this would trouble someone, Mark. I would like your public explanation when you find the time. I know it is the holidays.
Oprah, I a little confused as to what you want an explanation of.
If you look at the contract, it says I was representing eSA with the rest of them.
“True South Africans” represented by Grimstone, Fhaemita, CyberWitch, …(later Merle Corey, Mark_Morcom, Tronyx) called hereinafter “South Africans”
It does not say however that I signed it Signed
"on South African Side
Fhaemita Malodorous (Resistance President)
Grimstone (Resistance Vice President)
Tronyx (Chief of Staff of eSAAF)
Merle Corey (Deputy Chief of Staff of eSAAF)"
For anyone that cared to look they would have seen that. What I am saying is that I do not like the idea that my name was even put on there.
I did also post that in Closed Chambers. As a Minister it is my job to do the will of the Presidency, and the will of the presidency was to have the deal go through. When I saw the deal was enacted on, I PMed the CP and told him he has to sort out the mess created by doing that. I also pointed out that congress NEEDS to ratify this. I expected him to discuss this with congress, but her did not. Rather he posted an address where he says that he is both "wrong" yet "right". It is this inconsistent leadership that has me setting the record straight now
Just for the record, the Law proposal did not go through. Remember same as on the Resistance side there is also some that will not be happy on the Hungarian side.
There is a couple of laws that went our way, include this deal and there should be enough to say "Hey the Hungarians have shown some good will and willingness to mend the situation" And since politics is about compromise, when else will we start to work together? The perfect deal would never happen, for neither side.
When your kid is hurt and is bleeding cause some idiot drove into him, you do not let your kid bleed while you wait for help to show the police what the guy did, you get the needed help as quick as possible, even pay the guy to take you to hospital if needed, even promise not to charge him so long he can help. Sometimes it is not the right thing, and you should have asked your wife, but hell you made a call and in the end the kid get the needed help. So is it that bad?
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jees, and I thought we had a stinking mess in Switzerland.
best of luck to the Real South Africans.
@ Rexdeus - The vote was a 50/50 split. Start asking yourself what that means for the country considering part of the 'no' votes came from eSouth Africans
@ Mark Morcom, You are correct, this is a very fragile political situation. Any group from either faction can make all this a big mess. and that is the reason for calling for calm (not to control the media), it is going to take hard work from those that want to start re-building eSA to keep everyone pulling in the same direction.
We should now start shifting the focus from those that PTO'ed us to being part of the group that re-build eSA. The one that has the bigger legacy is the one that will be remebered, I would like a year from now when players remember big moments in the game to remember the "Re-Build of eSouth Africa" that is the legacy i would want to remember, maybe a bit grandeur 🙂. We will soon enough have other enemies, we need to prepare and be prepared.
We can not wait any longer, lets re-build eSA together.
Brazil proved that they are willing to get what they want from a smaller country, and they are willing to go against the will of their allies to get that. Brazil is here because of the resousce it lacks, not because it wants to help eSA
Brazil proved that they are willing to get what they want from a smaller country, and they are willing to go against the will of their allies to get that. Brazil is here because of the resousce it lacks, not because it wants to help eSA
Sorry Mark. I have a lot of respect for you, but this is the best of a bad deal.
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"When your kid is hurt and is bleeding cause some idiot drove into him, you do not let your kid bleed while you wait for help to show the police what the guy did, you get the needed help as quick as possible, even pay the guy to take you to hospital if needed, even promise not to charge him so long he can help. Sometimes it is not the right thing, and you should have asked your wife, but hell you made a call and in the end the kid get the needed help. So is it that bad?"
That situation is an accident. The PTOers did not "accidentally" take over our country and steal our money. If said idiot intentionally ran over my kid I would take the kid to the hospital and then do everything in my power to make sure said idiot rots in jail for what he did. If he decided to come by later and apologize, I would beat the shit out of him because he INTENTIONALLY ran over my kid. You guys need to work on your analogies.
@ Seisan, LOL, you are right might not be the best analogy, although in your's what if your car was busted and the only car was his, and he offered to help for a fee and no charges, would you still just do it yourself and pummel the guy? But you are correct my analogy is bad, no excuse, I will work on em, thanks 😉
Okay Mark sounds good
"Finally, an article that doesn't insult the players that agree with the deal." x2