ASTERIA: To be or not to be...
Day 2,918, 05:59
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by Raul Doru
As all of you could read or witnessed, from some time now there was/is an ongoing battle to disband ASTERIA alliance. The forces involved are using diplomacy, media manipulation and wars. The show was started by Croatia and Greece and continued by Hungary, Poland and (some say) even Slovenia. But let's see the facts and some of the actions of each of these countries in the last period.
Croatia orchestrated its moves directly against the weakest point of ASTERIA: the relations between Romania and a non-member of the alliance, but a close friend of Serbia, Hungary. So, after a failed NE law against Hungary, Croatia (with the help of Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Albania, Ireland, Georgia) attacked and in the end deleted Serbia. Immediately, Hungary, Slovenia and Romania (through coordinated ASTERIA strategy) attacked Croatia and Serbian territories were liberated. In that case all members and pro-Serbia countries have fought together (we will talk later about behavior of Hungary) and the only victory for Croatia was that it managed to erase Serbia.
Afterwards, Croatia attacked directly Hungary, but the move seems destined just to test Romania's involvement in this conflict. Even if the official position was neutral, there were a lot of Romanian players that hit for Croatia against the arch enemy, Hungary.
After the last elections, Croatia diminished its direct involvement in the situation in Balkan region and especially in ASTERIA issue and concentrated military in securing its colonies in India.
But that doesn't mean that Croatia (or zdlemmy, to be more specific, the mastermind behind Croatia's moves) have give up this objective. Just that Greece is now in the front row.
Days before Croatian invasion in Serbia, Greece had an successful Air Strike in Germany, getting a common border with Hungary and cutting some of Hungarian bonuses in German regions. Interesting is that, even if Greece supported Croatia (with COs and damage) in its war versus Serbia, no direct intervention was made, even when Croatia was attacked by Hungary, Slovenia and Romania (remember that they've had a common border with Hungary). No moves were made even after, when Croatia attacked Hungary.
All of a sudden, a series of RW's in Greek colonies started, all financed by Hungary, Poland and Slovenia (?!). They all failed and soon after Slovenia faced a lot of RW's in its conquered regions, RW's supported by Greece and Croatia. Slovenia failed to defend those territories and they faced a difficult situation.
Right after, Greece got what it desire: was proposed Natural Enemy by Hungary, who has realized (just now!) that Greeks are blocking its path to bonuses.
The war started, with Serbia and Slovenia fighting hard for Hungary and (as expected) a lot of Romanians and Argentinians hitting for Greece (bear in mind that both this countries have MPPs with Greece).
I won't repeat the events related to the involvement of Hungary in the wars against Croatia (to help Serbia and then in direct conflict). But there are some facts worth mentioning:
- Hungary is not an ASTERIA member. And even if they proclaimed to be a pro-ASTERIA country, they proved to be only a pro-Hungary and pro-Serbia state. And, of course, anti-Romania country (but the feeling is mutual, I believe). Don't forget that Hungary left ASTERIA because Romania was there.
- Hungary never hide its dislike toward some of the members of ASTERIA and there is no secret that they would like to return to a similar ONE alliance.
- in the conflict for helping Serbia, even if there was a coordinated attack planned by ASTERIA's HQ and agreed by Hungary, they blocked Romania's path, time was lost and Serbia was left without Congress (more details you can find in this article). After that, as usual, Hungarians tried to demonstrate how, because of their own interests, it was Romania's fault that Serbia was deleted...
- even if now, in its war against Greece, Hungary is blaming Romania and Argentina for their MPPs with Greece, they seem to forget (as usual) that they have, from a log time, MPPs with enemies of ASTERIA members: Bulgaria and Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) (hostile to Argentina, Brazil and Portugal) or Poland (traditional enemy of Romania and in present disliked by Serbia).
- and again... Hungary is not a member of ASTERIA...
Now, based on those above, Hungary is satisfied with its part in the war against Greece (no matter the result). It has the support of Poland and Serbia and Slovenia are fighting for it. In the same time, Romania and Argentina (or at least their soldiers) are fighting for Greece. Is not a surprise for anyone that Hungary would like to see ASTERIA destroyed and to form a new, but so old, alliance. But they have to be aware of one crucial fact: it will take a lot more to break the ties between Serbia and Romania.
For quite a while now, Poland was left aside from those making policies and wars in eRepublik. It had tried some different approaches in searching of new kinds of alliances or agreements, just to became again one of the "big boys", but all failed. Relevant are the last actions to gain the friendship of Serbia, but the MPP was rejected by Serbian Government and, more of that, because of some hilarious decisions of their Dictator, they even failed (or who knows, maybe it was not so a bad management) to provide the help they've promised to the Serbs (proposed/rejected NE laws, by the same person - the dictator - against Cyprus, Greece, Croatia or the failed AS, in the end, in India).
In the last days, the Polish propaganda started to emphasize the old/traditional relations between Poland, Hungary and Slovenia (!). This time, they (all these 3 countries) even supported RWs against Greece and then fought and set COs for Slovenia in its RWs. Now, the Polish army is fighting for Hungary against Greece. You can read about those 3 "musketeers" in the article of KapiRadom, the current MoFA of Polan
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http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/fight-in-subcarpathia-for-hungary--2564580/1/20
Very interesting is also the war cry in the end of the article, where KapiRadom is calling Poland, Hungary and Slovenia (!) to stand and fight united and to (more or less accurate because of Google translate) "show the Greeks, Croats and other Romanians, where they belong!". So, for Polish MoFA, a wan-a-be pro-ASTERIA country, Romania is on the same side with Greece and Croatia!
I've mentioned you above the events that led to the hard situation for Slovenia. They've joined the "crusade" of Hungary and Poland against Greece (in RWs) and got punished for it (also through RWs). In the same time, its hard to believe that they've face the lack of strength or coordination to defend some of the regions (especially those in Austria or Switzerland). Another strange move was that even if the war with Italy was the strongest (Greece and Croatia being directly involved there), Slovenia passed a NE law against Switzerland.
Yet again, during those battles, there were quite a lot of shouts from Slovenian leaders against the Romanian and Serbian soldiers who have fought for COs against Slovenia (justified attitude for Slovenians until one extent). There are many cases in the game nowadays when players are fighting for money, regardless their nationality or MPPs (it's to blame, but it's also pretty common)...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/slovenia-whats-your-problem--2564242/1/20
And even if Colonel Bruce and Tittanos clearly stated that those were just rage outbursts in the heat of the battle, it seems that they've had an effect or, at least, gave some "ammunition" to anti-ASTERIA propaganda...
The war between Greece and Hungary has split ASTERIA on the matter of MPPs. Romania and China have ever had MPP with Greece (based on their traditional good relations, even if Gama members have fought against Romania in the past). The situation is similar in Argentina (remember the very close ties between Romania and Argentina), but the things were also facilitated by the Greek influence in the current Argentinian Government. On the other hand, you have Serbia and Slovenia fighting hard for Hungary. Not to mention that Brazil and Portugal have still MPPs with Hungary and fighting for it, but in the worst scenario, they are expected to maintain a close position to Argentina (and also Peru, Columbia or Uruguay).
I would also like to mention here (even if it's not directly related to anti-ASTERIA events) the NAP between Portugal and Spain: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-presid-ncia-nap-entre-portugal-e-espanha-pt-en--2564810/1/20
In the end, I would like to underline some important facts:
- regardless of any action from outside, in the present ASTERIA seems quite unaffected.
- Hungary, Poland, Greece, Croatia are not ASTERIA members and any conflicts between them is just an option of MPPs.
- in any case (taking into consideration even the worst scenario) Romania, Argentina (and China) will be on the same side.
- even if Croatia and Greece are fighting Hungary and praise the help of Romanian tanks, it doesn't necessarily mean that Croatia and Gama want an (possible) alliance with Romania
- Romania will stay true to its commitment in ASTERIA and its alliance and relations with Serbia. In the same time, it should not be a surprise for anyone that a vast number of Romanian soldiers will fight against Hungary, no matter if the attacker is Greece, Croatia, Ukraine, Austria or Germany (a lot of today's Romanian tanks have joined the game because of the baby-booms based on the past wars against Hungary).
- One day Serbia will have to decide if SerHun brotherhood is more important then ASTERIA.
- it will be interesting to see the future moves of Chile, Spain, Bulgaria or Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) and even USA and Russia, being hard to imagine a future re-shape of alliances system without (at least some of) these countries.
About the development of the current alliances and agreements in eRepublik, you can read in this excellent article of vladb:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/aliante-si-aliante--2564716/1/20 (use Google translate, it's pretty accurate this time).
LE: Interesting developments, with direct impact on Greece vs Hungary war:
Further details on those NE laws you can find in the article of Serbian Presidency:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-striking-back-srb-eng--2564924/1/20
Don't forget that, just ten days ago, we've had this. 20/13.
Remember, stay informed and fight hard!
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multumesc Nebunel pentru ajutorul cu "grafica"! 🙂
Raul, iam hungarian, i dont want to argue with you but i would like to express my views because i think that your article's are biased and one sided, and after this two things i cant say that you analise anything.
1.: After the attack on serbia, romania picked a weak country as enemy, i think your country AS-ed and went to action delayed. While we attacked inmediatly.
2.: The path blocking thing was like, the hq figured out something and its hard to act in cordination if you dont know the plan and you dont have acces to the plan. Because i think another hungarian player told you already that we got no information about that cordinated plan....
3.: Dont think that we are that stupid that we dont realise that we dont got full bonus, and we dont realise that greek-croatian-romanian-ukranians open 4-5 rw co it, and sucesfully libaretes key regions. We went to fight for our allies...
4.: About the polish cp, and slovenian cp. I totaly agree with them, day by day when i logg on, i see croatian-greek-romanian-ukranian players hitting against my countries, looks like our allies know that romanians launched the bigest coup event against us, and they see day by day, that an asteria countries citizens fight against asteria and pro asteria countries....
5.: About bulgaria and macedonia, they are traditional enemies of greeks, who fought and co-ed even the last times hand in hand with croatians against serbians and us.
6.: Now your article is basically a choose serbs hungary or romania, in the times when all asteria, pro asteria and their allies should be pushing the enemies of asteria...
7.: Dont you find strange that all core big pro asteria and asteria contries got beat, except romania?
8.: I dont want to argue with you, these are the things i see day by day, and iam bored about the half trueth's you keep writing in your article. If you would wrote this reply to your article than we would got a clear view and you could call this article analisation.
From your point of view, you could be right. But, sorry, just like always, you (Hungarians) see and tell only the truth convenient to you.
- You say that there are Romanians fighting in your RWs. True, but there are/were also Hungarians fighting in our. Nothing new.
- Don't even talk about Nemesis coup. If it have been supported by Romanian MUs, maybe the result would have been different. Remember how hard it was for you to win against a single MU with all the help from Asteria and other of your friends.
- Your leaders were informed exactly about Asteria's plans to fight against Croatia in Serbian cores. But you choose your own interest, even if Serbia got deleted because of that. And that's a fact, not a point of view.
- It's true that Bulgaria and FYROM are Greece enemies. But you seem to forget that some months ago Argentina and Brazil were fighting FYROM and that Portugal was defending against an Bulgarian AS. But it doesn't matter for you. Only your interest.
- I'm not an official of my country and this is not an official newspaper. So you can hardly say that article will make Serbia take any decisions.
- You can name this article any way you want, but what it is disturbing for you is that it shows that you lie about being a pro-Asteria country. Everything that matter for you is to break this alliance and form another with Serbia, Slovenia, Poland and others. But guess what?!
two of the biggest romanian mu's suported it one openly, and one from the shadow...
Our leaders couldntbe informed, and a minister of foraign affairs clearly wrote that to you.
Anyways what would you say, if i would say that an argentine dictators apointed representative who had no athorisation in term of asteria hq membership voted against hungary in sincrone with romanias representetive?
You say we are not pro asterria? well i dont know months ago which country put ne on croatia who did put ne on slovenia, and i dont know who did take the first step to try to deffend serbia? Romania or hungary?
Your country just fights with a blinking eye and your country blinks on the two sides exactly in the same time 🙂
But guess what iam hungarian, so my opinion doesnt even worths a rats ass, in your eyes because iam hungarian. And thats where racism and nationalism starts. For what i cant blame you🙂
CO win everything - if you have big support, you can be unbeatable or sg like that. So that is not equal if some of us fight against Rom, or some of you fight against us and offer a big big co and support for fighting against us. 😉
Dear Raul, you are telling us also your interest. Everybody is fighting and discussing in the interest his own. It would be strange if they would not do like this 😉
The breakpoint our Asteria membership was greek and romanian etc fighting and co-ed against us, (in that time Greece was also a member of Asteria) then decieded our gouverment exit from Asteria, because that was not a true alliance of us (more than one country was our enemy, not alliance nor nautral!)
So it is also true , but not your point of view 😛
it is nothing new to this eWorld that anyone else (and mostly eRomania) is guilty for magyar decisions/mistakes... You left Asteria because it was suitable for you, because you had only one friend there, eSerbia (everyone else saw the harsh treachery and disgusting ugliness behind your "forever helping and innocent victim"mask) but mostly because Asteria's no.,1 target of that time, Loland, your former wife and BFF (divorced but still together, now as your mistress) was in the process of being erased and to keep your precious bonuses and "bed"(map allusion also) you needed it's mpp and (history is a lower back pain) alsmost f. up Asteria's and eSerbian plans by cutting off eRO from joining the lolish gang-gang... I wonder how much time will it take for Serbia to discover your true face?... Anyway that future is imminent...
LOL.... You acusing us, that we see all things from our point of view, now that's hilarious. If this is an objective article, then I'm the Pope. But this does not matter. I was in the last months hungarian governement and I can tell you, that nobody from the gvt had any clue what the hell are Asteria's plans. This is the thruth.
😁)) you're a pretty little liar, aren't you ? 😁)) you were the one who told us that your CP attacked the wrong region, after we were informed about the common channel for SRB-Slo-HU discussions, where EVERYBODY told you what to attack.
Hungary is not a reliable country and will never be. That's why everybody else avoids you 🙂 you're following ONLY your own interest. That's why you left ASTERIA, you fought like hell in South Africa for 2 weeks and when your plans to rejoin ASTERIA didn't succeed, you had a 6 months break of helping ARG-BRAZIL 😁))
THE INTEREST is your leader, so stop crying and act like a soldier (if you are one). Romanian soldiers will fight against HU and vice-versa, no matter who the opponent is. We would probably fight also for Japan if Japan would attack you. That has nothing to do with ASTERIA, since YOU'RE NOT AN ASTERIA MEMBER !!! Nobody gives a f**k about your campaigns.
It seems you need a vocabulary to find out the meaning of sorry that we atacked the wrong region. Because, this means not that we had knowledge of your "masterplan", but only that we are sorry that we messed up that plan, because we didn't intended that. The only liar is who is affirming that we had knowledge of that plan. Please tell me, who was from the SG who informed us? But, that was your intention all the time. You just waited us to move, and after that started to acuse us.... To bad, that good people are still falling for your lies. Sorry that I was so stupid, that I thought, you can appreciate a friendly gesture. Promiss, won't happen again.
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iar te-ai sucit?
sa fie 'al dreacu, exact dupa cum bate vantul, si in functie de borcanel
m-am sucit?! matale stie sa citeste?! sau problemele sunt cu priceputul?!
singurul "sucit" de-aici esti tu, dar alt din punct de vedere...
nu m-ar mira daca 90% dintre putinii romani care au dat impotriva eSloveniei sunt fie din MU-ul tau fie din Templierii (fiecare tara cu teroristii sai), doar ai un pitic pe creier care iti spune sa apesi butonul rosu pana degetul devine de aceeasi culoare cand e vorba de CO setat impotriva eRo si al intereselor sale doar pentru ca nu are uscaturile tale la conducere de nici nu mai tine minte cand....
Nu m-ar mira sa vorbesti prostii. Nici Templierii si nici Romania unita nu sunt unitati elita sa poata seta Do acolo.
Daca te certi cu zmeu, cearta-te cu el. Nu imi implica UM-ul in magaria voastra. Nu cred ca esti in postura sa imi reprosezi ceva.
nu e nevoie sa setati Do ca sa faceti troll propriei tari si aliatilor, nu ar fi prima oara oricum...
Si ma acuzi pe mine si colegii mei de ce?
M-ai vazut pe mine sa critic orice UM pentru catva oameni din el?
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Vezi ca si sarbii au pus ne pe croati cu Romania impreuna 🙂
pai era evident din partea lor. eu ma refer la argentinieni, brazilieni si portughezi.
Do you guys know .... The only wasted all this is and will be Hungary. the only won the GREECE !!
A friend of mine and Ukraine !!
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Good analysis.
One mistake which is probably due to useless Greek people (i.e Bakaras) trying to shape facts for you to make them selves worthy of paying any attention to.
"even if Gama was never a friend of Romania"
I would urge you before making these statements to see the billions of damage we have shed for Romania even during the Asteria era.
Remember that our denial to follow you in Asteria had nothing to do with Romania which we always thought of as a brotherly nation. It was purely because the people who actually provide you with this kind of feedback forced the Greek community into an alliance with a ticket. No congressional vote no debate nothing. Those are the same people that never set foot in your battles since the only thing they know is to write lies and kg1 level propaganda.
At least for us in GaMa you can check through our stats what we could or have done in the past as a group and not individuals.
I believe you have every right to feel happy in this farmville edition called Asteria since it gave you a clear piece of mind even with Hungary. After all at some point you need to admit that you would rather keep that status and be friends with SerHun rather than play heroes. It is fine and as i said understood.
In the longterm it might have a very negative impact on the game being interesting but you know what ? It is a time to punish the admins and stop investing into a game by achieving global peace 🙂
"to see the billions of damage we have shed against Romania even during the Asteria era." -corrected a spelling error and I guess you forgot a paragraph ...although Ro was one of the biggest damage dealers against FYROM or whoever decided to attack Greece whilst we were playing Terorista mode and tried to do who knows what in "special" mode.
I am not disputing at all that Ro fought with us. Not at all. But you are absolutely manipulating my statement with what you are saying. We have not fought as a Group against Romania. If we did you would know it trust me 🙂
I guess you know what GaMa tanking means 🙂
By the way what worries me the most is your quotes about us playing terrorista mode and things like that. This is indicating that you fail to respect a 50-50 divided community that 100% was RO friends the same way Serbians did during that time. The fact that you were part of Asteria does not mean you should not respect our internal conflict and listen to both sides who by the way never had an issue with Ro. You just fell for the tards that claimed they represented GR although if only you check the votes held you will see that is not the truth. When Nemesis launched a coup in HUN you shouted for everybody to stay out and we did (otherwise the coup would have been won trust me). That is exactly what you failed to do at that time. Listen to the other side within the greek community which was actually the players that shed all damage not the useless politicians like Antrikos and his gang. As you see now they are long gone and forgotten. If you feel like a friend for Greece you should hear what we had to say. Not judge based on our stance with Asteria.
That with you never had issues with RO is absolutely not true and it is very simple to remember because me like many other members of the Ro community we were deeply dissapointed to see GaMa and other members of Teroristas UMs fighting against Ro.We understood your internal struggle but we were biterly dissapointed to see that you guys target Romania.We were expecting at least to be neutral.
Still we have signed MPP with Greece and fought for Greece although you guys were fighting with FYROMians against us but for Chile and we where fighting for Greece against FYROM.
Do you want to talk about respect ?
Terroristas MUs fighting against Romania?
I wont be talking about GAMA, I am not part of their stronk group, Mirmidons never had any DO or order against Romania, so where is the hate coming from?
tell us, and don't say: ITISALLCUZOFTERORISTATANKINAGAINSTROAMNIA
that sounds more than silly
Weeping Angel: no one said anything about Myrmidons. At least not me...
Again this is a false statement. We have not fought against RO as a group . We have fought for RO as a group. If you insist on adjusting that fact i can only presume it suites your agenda . Which is fine. I know my facts though.
your rank is : Military Rank Legends of Greece: F@nis Battalion IV
http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/59196
http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/51082
http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/battle/59196/2
Really don't have time to search all of GaMa but I took one that seems to be representative ...and it's not the only case.
And like me there are a lot of Romanian players that were dissapointed and remember.We had also a lot of internal debates regarding the situation in Greece and why Greek players fight against us.I was one that explained to the Ro community that the Greek community is divided and that the actions of some should not be interpreted as all Greeks fight against RO but from here to claiming that it's just an illusion.Common,
Which side did GaMa fought when Ro fought against Chile?
At least be fair.
Still the one who is not being fair is you my friend. And again it is ok. It suites your agenda to declare our play us unfair. You want to feel what it looks like having GaMa against you? Read this. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/bulgaria-has-been-gamized-edit2-plovdiv-gamization-of-bulgurs-failsino--2097093/1/20
And yes we did fight to defend Chile. Did you think that we would allow Asteria to roam around the planet? Or did we fight against direct RO interests?
you fought for Chile against Romania, you took sides.Nobody would have blamed you if you were neutral, nobody expected you to fight for Romania but taking into consideration that Ro was fighting for Greece against FYROM and you were fighting against us for Chile I think we can call the entire situation at least weird.
I only expect of you to be fair and do not pretend it did not happen.
As i said whatever suites your agenda mate. Even if you want everybody to believe that we are pro HUN maybe i dont mind do as you wish. If it serves your purpose to point fingers against the Terrorists again go ahead there is no point arguing this is what you like to be the point of view this is what it will be .
I don't have an agenda and it's certainly not me the one trying to avoid answers and bending the truth.
@N4zGuL "Listen to the other side within the greek community which was actually the players that shed all damage not the useless..."
Careful, your true feelings is showing 😁
N4zGuL, maybe you've fought for, but definitely you've also fought against Romania. And not only once. And I mean GaMa, not Greece or Greek players. Remember that until few days ago, 1224333 was GaMa. And it's not the only example...
But my (and perhaps other Romanians) choice won't be to fight for GaMa, but for Greece and mainly against Hungary. Because, on the other hand, regardless of GaMa damage against Romania, you'll never match Hungary in our "top"... 🙂
I said as a group. 1224333 was and will always be a GaMa and he fought for his country the same way some Germans fought against GR now. We respect our members.
Ok, I can understand that and I don't judge your MU or the way you (as a group) consider it functional. But in the same way, be aware that others can see GaMa banners fighting against them and consider it accordingly. That's why I wrote that in my article.
But, I repet myself, for me not GaMa is important in a Greece vs Hungary conflict. Hell, in Anyone vs Hungary conflict. Especially when no Asteria member is attacked in those wars...
+1 global peace 🙂
Don't argue. It's pointless. In every country there are people fighting against traditional allies or for CO. It's just the way the game is and you can't do anything to "punish" that people.
the "useless guy" is here 😁
I'll read article in few hours, don't have time atm. I just want to comment Romanian NE on Croatia.
I don't want to argue about the reason of this NE but the result it will have on Greek Hungarian war is obvious. To explain this I will use simple math and data from erepublik-deutschland. Greece has 18 MPPs. Romania and Croatia make 28% damage for Greece from those MPPs. If we go to war Greece cannot rely on our damage anymore and considering that wall is always around 50% in Gr-Hu war this will make Greece lose the war.
It's well-known that your government is in very good relations with Serbia, weirdly good because we've never seen such a favorizing between 2 allies (Serbia over Greece - because only Hungary will benefit from our war and that's in interest of Serbia) To think your and Serbian alliance can be destroyed so easily is foolish so I can't believe anyone of you believed this is planned and organized from side of Greece to move you away from Serbia.
I can't fully understand this way of thinking but this is your choice. You keep electing those people every month and having in mind they don't have real political opposition in Romania I guess you all agree with their moves.
I will remember you that Hungary attacked Greece and not the opposite. Greece is your ally for 7 years and they got attacked. Won't you help them? You will cancel your MPP with Greece by attacking us and drain our (Cro & Ro) damage from Greece to let Hungary win the war?
We won't defend the attack if you attack us because we want to focus all our damage on Greece and I hope that attack won't even happen having in mind your dictator didn't vote it yet.
It would be interesting to see this voting in your congress but you have dictator because this time the reason of NE is to help Hungary and not your ally Serbia.
congress would vote unanimously for, without a doubt.
oh my, s4ndu... even congressmen from Templierii?! you (because there is no difference between your MU and Party) supported the Nemesis coup in Hungary. now you want to help Hungary?! 🙂