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Before Addy Congress was never really involved in planning the countries strategy anyway, he went out on a limb including Congress more so than any other CP I can remember...and got burned for it.

Im not sure about this new Security Act as there are laws in place to deal with it, also telling is the fact that no Congressman has supported it by making the proposal official as it came from a member of the executive.

IMPEACH!

How does congress represent the country more than the executive???

400 Canadians voted for Addy
659 Canadians voted in the Congress Elections

Seems like Canadians support the CP over Congress.

VI.2) No citizen may view or post in Closed Door Congress aside from elected Congressmen, the Country President, and any other appointed Government officials. All information in Closed Door Congress is considered classified and any individual who reproduces any of its content will be temporarily banned from Congress and may have this ban made permanent pending a Congressional vote.

also try the criminal code

what's the problem here??? If the executive doesn't post in Closed door, will just mean they will post in open door. That's pretty transparent.

MInd, you may not get as many helpful "head's up" messages, "letting you know what we are thinking of" memos and "give this some thought" missives. Just actual executive proposals ready for a vote and for which the executive believes it has sufficient support. That will make debate short and meaningful, followed by a prompt vote.

As for publishing Closed Door communications without knowing they were from Closed Door, I haven't seen such a situation. None has occurred recently. Publishing with knowledge is a different matter.

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crissfire: you very helpfully reproduce a portion of congress' rules which permit the speaker to take immediate action against Muglack for publishing cdc communications. Might be an idea to insist he do his duty. It is also a reminder of the importance of the Speaker's position.

Minor quibble: There is no criminal code. However, the existing duty of honesty and good faith applies and has been applied in the past to sanction publication of sensitive information by ordinary citizens and office holders.

Finally, the duty of honesty and good faith should guide MUs - membership should include obligations of fidelity, honesty and good faith toward the community which provides it material support. Both the CAF and the Crimsons have a part in determining how they will respond to a member's behaviour.

Excellent points Oliver and Crisfire. You are correct, you do have the written rules on your side. Oliver: My issue is that Addy has stated he will continue to have CDC type discussions with select congresspeople that he can trust. This removes the "untrustworty" (which I read as non-allied) from the equation of governing the country. The punishment of those who publish CDC articles is reprehensible at best, no matter what rulez can be quoted.

The SAWC incident was easy, as he admitted to being the leak and was also the publisher. Muglack's case is far more complicated, as he did not have a congressional mask at the time and therefore couldn't be the leak. My concern is that there's no provision for Whistleblowers in our society. Without some protection for those who would expose wrongdoing, there is no incentive to do so.

In short, you are wrong, morally if you think a 1 month permaban is appropriate for someone who writes about leaked info.

thank you for the consideration of a measured response. I appreciate it.

In the instant case, Muglack was perfectly aware that the material was from Closed Door, admitted that openly and also explained exactly why he had publishe😛 to have a laugh. That was his only purpose. On those facts, there isn't much of a dilemna. Others cases, other facts, may present a greater quandary.

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There is very little in CDC that has anything to do with governing the country but has everything to do with military strategy.

I hate bringing real life into the game but do you for a second think that congress in the US or its Can equivalent are involved in this type of information

If it were me id totally do away with CDC, everything else is ODC and anything to do with military planning is executive and chosen military advisors. Anything else is really retarded.

"Addy has stated he will continue to have CDC type discussions with select congresspeople that he can trust"

Leo, you are foolish if you think that this isn't going on already. I'm just being transparent about placing more reliance upon it.

"crissfire: you very helpfully reproduce a portion of congress' rules which permit the speaker to take immediate action against Muglack for publishing cdc communications"

I wasn't a congressman when I posted. So I couldn't be in violation of the Congressional Rules of Order. Punishing and convicting people of "crimes" that weren't illegal when they commit them is not the way things are done.

As for this "Select Group" congressmen bullshit. I honestly don't care. I'm more worried about Addy sending people PMs filled with their personal information and uttering threats.

Rylde has your back leo and I find it disgusting that leaks and admissions to helping the PTOer's hasn't been looked into.

So I gotta do it myself until proper legal action is taken.


http://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=283&t=15681

biggest fail of all time. realize is and will always be the best cp canada has ever seen.

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Someone forgot Jacobi already?

I can think of several CPs who were burned for CDC use. It happens.

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