A Short Tragic Tale of the Fall of eBE
Konrad Neumann
eBelgium in my opinion is lost. Not because it is being invaded by Pakistan but it is lost from within. As stated many times in the past, eBelgium is being PTOed mainly from Croatian and Serbians. While their government does not condone it, the fact is, eBE is being PTOed for more than a year now. However until now, most of the legitimate community were able to keep them at bay. The wipe for 1/2 a year now was aimed to hold the PTOers at check. This article is an article about eBE and its internal politics from my perspective.
The following list are the actors in the fall of eBE and their role/ position. Note this is not a complete list but that of the most vocal and active.
Radicals:
-Vincent Pain
-GW Junior
-Lin0lium
Croatian/ Serbian PTOers
-Thorin II Oakenshield (Part of the Shoe People who tried to PTO eUS)
-ChristjianxD
-Texas Cowboy X
-Aries Sun
-Marko Kil
-Barabum
-Joep Heop
Trolls, and other people who sides with the PTO due to personal hatred of the community/ or some members of the community
-Shadowukcs
-JDlF
-Tony Clifford
-Kaad
For a lack of a better word, Naive people
-Yannis now named Chihiroh
-Boer Jan
eNLers who support the PTOers
-van Spjick now known as M. de Ruyter
-Kordak
Trusted eBEers/ eBE establishment
-Mr. Wonka
-MaryamQ
-NLSP
-Critically
-Tommot
-Fhaemita/ Valeyard
-Mittekemuis
Trusted but not so active
-Olv007
-ThomasRed
-Nohjis
-Tecuvo
Current CP of eBE
Jofroi
For a few years now, there is a group of radical leftist in eBelgium who seeks power. It is hard to clearly classify them as Marxist or anarchist but regardless of what they are, they are superficial leftist. They quote and use Marxist rhetoric without proper comprehension of leftist theory. Their main grievance with the government was the lack of government funding for their MU. They claimed they are tax payers and they demand gov funding like that of state MU's. Their demands are warrantless as at the time they were making the demands, they were paying .10 CC a day. They demand the same amount support as the national MU for a weak private MU that pays.10 CC a day. In addition, they seek political domination. They view the national forums is a means of oppression and seeks to abolish it. In their vision, all congress votes and issues are done via public referendums in the media section of the game. They also pushed for open borders and the abolition of all immigration laws and tradition. They break their own rules as they held public referendums on the immigration issues and they lost by like 95 percent of those who "voted." The community does not care about their radical ideas other than the key issue of immigration.
Unsatisfied with the referendum results, they continue to accept illegal CS's. Their leaders like Vincent Pain travel around the eWorld spreading lies and recruiting other radical minded people to join eBE and to help them overthrow the "Forum Fascist." The first main groups of PTOers were Greek. After the Greek group gave up, they now focus on the Croats. The Croatian PTOers are opportunist and does not share the same radical ideas as of the Greeks. However, they are using the Radicals as a means to get into eBE.
About half a year ago, it was decided that eBE cannot hold out against the PTOers anymore. They were able to get more and more illegal immigrants into eBE and they reached to 50/50 range in the congress. While they are not taking the CP elections yet, the trend continues to grow with time in their favor. Therefore, to block them from future incursions, the government and a good amount of the trusted members of the community decided a wipe was necessary.
The tales of eBE is mired by many internal conflicts. In a way, it is like a dysfunctional family. When MaryamQ was CP, she assigned Valeyard as the eBE ambassador to eNL. Valeyard is an experienced player and is RL Dutch. This would be a great candidate for the post. However, M. de Ruyter does not like Valeyard. M. de Ruyter when he was CP of eNL during the year plus wipe of eNL planned to PTO eSouth Africa. He wants to recreate the Boars in South Africa and make it the new eNL. Valeyard leaked M. de Ruyter's plans and M. de Ruyter wants revenge. He closed our embassy and even threaten Mr. Wonka, our MoFA of the time. The tension between eBE and eNL remained high, but it was during this time period, M. de Ruyter began to work with the PTOers and Radicals in eBE. He started leaking information and our meetings to the PTOers and radicals but it was not until Valeyard became CP of eBelgium, did he overtly support the PTOers. He even declares Valeyard and myself as PTOers but all eNL parties except's M. de Ruyter's own GPN listened to him.
JDlF is another problem in which the radicals and PTOers capitalized on. After MaryamQ's administration, NLSP became the next CP. NLSP and JDlF had a huge disagreement over the baking managers. The idea was to have bank managers is to give a large sum of our treasury to a few trusted members of our community like MaryamQ. Since JDlF had a disagreement with NLSP, he jump ship and he pushed for the unwipe. He questioned and tried to undermine the NLSP administration and gave a voice to the PTOers and Radicals.
Then there are people like Yannis and Boer Jan. They are good people all in all but I think they are naive. They are the people who claims to be open minded and even believe in working with the PTOers. They are the group which tried to reason with the PTOers and believe to "share power" and accept them. Some of them push for acceptance of the PTOers as they believe in including them into the community. They either do not see the risk or believe in inclusion is the solution. But this is a PTO and not a democratic election. They pump in members who joins and vote for their parties. The PTO continue to attack legit members of the community and drove many of them out of the country. I do not understand why they continue to give talking points and a voice for the PTOers instead of the people who are fighting hard to keep eBE PTO free.
During the wipe, the PTOers and Radicals went on the offensive. They attacked members of the community. They attacked people base on their age and gender. They even found out a person's real name and used it in their attacks against members of the community. One of the main leaders in the hate campaign is Shadowukcs who is banned from the forums due to the use of multies. Shadow has a long and dark history. From lying, stealing, trolling and harassment his misdeeds are well documented in eBE history.
Overall, there is a lack of unity in eBE. Despite the good intentions and sound policies of the establishment, we faced pressure from many sides. There are some in eNL who gave a voice to the PTOers and radicals to a point in which eNL congress did hold a vote on accepting the PTOers and Radical voice as the official voice of Belgium. It failed but it did give a platform and a voice to the Radicals and PTOers. There are those trouble makers who sides with the PTOers due to spite. This too give a voice to the PTOers. Lastly, there are those who think they are open minded and seek to include the PTOers as part of the community. They too give a voice to the PTOers and radicals. The point of the wipe is to halt their expansion and to bore them to death. The point is to make them helpless, powerless, and voiceless to a point which they will give up and leave. These factors prevented the wipe to be successful as the anti-PTO efforts are being undermined by a few Dutch like M. de Ruyter and from within.
Many of our community left eBE for eUK. Many of them are tired of the harassment and for some, the sense of ungratefulness. Many in the community gave real life money, time and effort into the community. They built it up and really created a progressive country with a strong social net. It is not about power dominance and sole political control. The establishment cares not about nationality etc but about following eBE laws and traditions. Most stable countries in the eWorld has an immigration policy. eGermany has such a policy for security reason. When a party violates this rule and recruits foreigners to overthrow the existing means of governance is a PTO. They care not of working together etc. But regardless of logic, the establishment now is viewed as the bad guys. The Radicals and PTOers now are bold to even call the establishment the "real PTOers" as we aim to prevent them from getting power. Many people are tired of this for a lack of a better word, BS and left. Many of the people are tired to give and give and only to be shouted at for trying to save the community.
I too am personally tired. eBE is a wonderful community with warm and kind people. It was a true melting pot of cultures. It is very diverse from RL Belgians, Americans, Hungarians, Czechs, Macedonians, Serbians ,etc . It was a true leftist paradise as there was a comprehensive social net in which players can get free tanks and even gold to strength train. All of this is gone as many people left. Many of the programs are a shadow of what it is. But in the end, the negativity of some really wore me out. While I am not the only one, but the Radicals and PTOers use bullying tactics to get people out. For me, they use my homosexuality as an weapon against me. If you want, you can read more about it here But overall, this is the weapon they used often. In the past, Shadowukcs bullied his rivals out like Ward de Beaver. In the case of Ward de Beaver, he was trolled and attacked due to his Jewishness. Despite his misdeeds are well documented, our tickets were ignored and his deeds are tolerate in eRep. As for me, I am just tired of the hate. While at times the things they say can be hurtful, I am just exhausted. I just do not want to deal with such hollow hatred and I do not feel the community is healthy for me. So I move on. For the game is about fun and these people ruined the fun for me. So I seek to have fun in eGermany again. Thank you Black Baroness for everything you did in the past few days to help me deal with the political crisis in eBE.
With Jofroi as the current CP, his actions are limited. Most of the people left eBE for good with only a handful of people from the trusted group remains. Jofroi is an unorthodox person but in the end, he sided with the inclusion group. While he might not be naive, he tries to salvage as much power for himself and a few clients who support him. I am not a fan of what he did. He made ChristjianxD a PTOer to be his vice president. For me, this is problematic as Jofroi is being pragmatic in his own way, but is giving legitimacy to the PTOers. For government post holds legitimacy. In essence, Jofroi is giving the PTOers legitimacy and a means to consolidate power. While it might be good for Jofroi's political future, this too greatly hinders the ousting and combating of the PTOers as they are officially recognized. There are some radicals and PTOers suggesting an immigration policy especially when they consolidate power in congress again. Their parties holds a substantial amount of congress seats. When they feel they have the upper hand, now they want some immigration control, as they do not want to lose power. This suggest that they are not the idealist and leftist they claim to be. In the end, it all comes to political domination. They are PTOers.
This creates an interesting position for eGermany. While eBelgium is a friend of eGermany, the people who made and built this friendship are in eUK now. Many of the radicals are against imperialism and are rather reckless. The leadership of the Radicals, especially Vincent Pain have strong ties to M. de Ruyter and Norway which is hostile to both eBE and eGermany. While I am not saying we should cut ties to eBelgium, but I am saying the Belgium of old, does not exist anymore. I urge German policy makers to make a mental note of the composition of the Belgian government and community before placing all of their trust in this country. As eBelgium is less stable. I predict sooner or later the Radicals and PTOers would not see eye to eye indefinitely.
As to me now, I am not sure what I will do. It seems I always come back to eGermany. I guess eGermany is my eHeimat. I have been to eUS, eNL and eUK. While I like them very much, but they are not home. eBE felt most like home until the Radicals and PTOers hijacked the country. eGermany is my safe haven as it is stable and peaceful. I want to end with declaring my faith in Germark. I think Germark is a great enterprise of both peoples. I really admire the Danes for I think the Belgians can really learn from them. Players need to be long sighted. Instant gratification does not exist. When combating PTOs it does not take place one month but many many months. The problem with eBE is the lack of patience. In addition to the problems I mentioned above, many of them are unable to tolerate being off the map for a longer duration. For they claim it is not "fun." They either do not care or do not see the dangers of a PTO. Regardless, their short sightedness caused them to be PTO soon.
Fun Fact: This short tale contains 2409 words
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i really dont know if to laugh or to cry, but i'm not dumb enough to say why
To be honest, a Dutch PTO of South Africa would have been an awesome idea. At least better to see SA PTO'ed by Lazos...
The few dutch wouldn't been able to withstand a Lazo PTO anyway.
Check the percentage of IA in the congress elections. Even these few Dutch would have been helpful.
well for historic reasons that sounds rather unfunny
Why? Boers are mostly of Dutch or German origin and Afrikaans and Dutch are kinda similar. It would be unfunny to see SA PTO'ed by British
You people should have a RL meeting and drink a beer, I recall not being on the best of terms with shadowukcs back in the day but I doubt there are erep differences that can't be solved with a few beers.
It matters now how he acts in RL. His behavior online tells me more about his character and personality more than his act in RL.
I've dronk a lot of drinks with shad RL. He's a really nice guy 😉. But it's not like it will solve any problem on eRepublik 😁
tl;dr
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Konrad
Nice article Konrad and sadly true. You helped us a lot in the past and we are gratefull for it 😉. I hope that your elife will be brighter from now on, you deserve it 😉.
Good article, f**k PTOers
Konrad, you are happy in eGermany? good, I am glad to hear that, but stop now to interfere in eBelgium, until now there are no PTOers spotted, most of the people you blame are in fact trying to find a good immigration-law, the one we had is not democratic at all, only one person decide who can come in and who stays out, and non of congress asked for this, further you are talking always about PTO, but how many party's has been PTOed by the good side? Logic that the others started attacking.
We are trying to forget the past and build some future but that does not please you, what is your next step? setting eGermany up against us in the hope they will overrun eBe? Please let us, if it really turns bad than you may say "I told you so", but do not try to sink the ship while we are doing everything to get it in a safe harbour.
I do not think you get it Boer Jan. They never talked of an immigration law when they lack numbers. They leveled the playing field with illegal CS's to a point they are in a position to dictate terms. What you do not get Boer Jan, is that this conflict is not ideological. The Radicals and PTOers are not interested in law and order but power and domination. Now, when they hold the congressional power, they "want: immigration laws so they can block people they see as a threat into eBE. Most likely, they will use their votes to block players like NLSP Vayelard, and others back into eBE. So please continue to ignore their intent if you want, but do not say I am trying to undo your country. I am presenting the facts and you can like it or not. Do not blame me for current political situation in eBE for it was your very actions that allowed such chaos in eBE. While you do not like my predictions, but so far I am 100 percent current. I myself do not need to mess with eBE for it to sink. The division between the radicals and PTOers are on the raise each day and there are already rifts among them. It is already too late for your safe harbor and I do not intend to get Germany involved in eBE. In my opinion, eBE should stay as far away from eBE as possible. It is not worth their effort and energy for they cannot help those who do not help themselves...
Oh and tell me this is not good evidence that they are PTOers... http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/public-letter-to-the-president-of-belgium-2392270/1/20#comment35942460
this thing is already more than a year old, but it returns everytime, there such one where your name is also associated with PTOing a country if I remember well. Old cows.....
I only offer you the facts and evidence. The link by Cika is today not a year ago. It seems to me you are uninterested to look at the evidence and facts but to live in a delusional world you create for yourself as you cannot and will not see the eBE community as it is. It is impossible to ignore the recruitment attempts of both Christkian and Vincent Pain etc and say it is ok and not a PTO.
The idea that only one person decides is completely false. You have apparently not read nor understood the current immigration law, which was, in fact, designed and voted by Congress. Furthermore, Konrad is right. That article by Cika is new and shows new evidence. I really cannot understand why you refuse to see what is right in front of your nose. I have always thought you were better than that.
for the moment immigration is a mess, that is for sure, and there is only one IO who even wants all the power. the evidence is recent? possible, all these screen shots seems the same, without date they mean nothing, and even if they are , I see someone who is trying to secure his side, just like we did in the past with the US, the UK, Canada etc... No mention of PTOing, on the contrary someone starts talking about stealing and the reaction is clearly against that idea. Nothing shows that there are evil thoughts there.
i think now we must make a difference between good ptoers or bad ones : )
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Welcome back Vater. I must apologize for the role I played in the eNL/eBE conflict a few months ago. I was uneducated at the time as to what was happening in your country and as a result spread what I though was true information, but was given to me by the very people you speak about in this article. As a result, I quit my ambassador positions in the country. I hope you will find fun here, and I know that many of us are happy to see you back. o7
Hmm strange, I'm not mentioned in any of the groups... 😛
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Perhaps you are not easy to classify. 😉
Perhaps, yeah.... 🙂
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