A proposed Union of the United Kingdom and the United Netherlands
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Some time ago, our governments began discussing the possibility of uniting our two countries. After finding that the idea was promising, the Parliaments were informed a few days ago. The idea has been met with great enthusiasm, but also a few practical concerns. In the last few days, intense and detailed discussions have been going on about this idea, and we have developed a detailed plan.
This is a very big decision, so we both need to discuss it as a country before deciding whether to do it or not.
Why?
Why should we Unite?
We'll be joined by more people, varied and interesting. It'll be fun. We'll also benefit economically by having a bigger job market, goods market, and currency market. Our united military would be a greater force on the world stage. Together, we'd be worth more as an MPP ally, and would therefore likely get to participate in more wars. This Union would work well as just about everybody in it can speak English, although we probably wish to support those who would not.
What are some worries?
We are worried that potentially this would allow our enemies to use resistance wars against us. I believe that our pooled strength and the help we can get from our allies should be enough to deal with this particular problem. Indeed, resistance wars in small regions would potentially give us a fairly cheap way to get training wars.
Practically speaking, the unification would involve destroying the UNL's current hospitals: however we hold several hospitals in stock, enough for our immediate needs. The monetary loss would be about 700-1000 gold collectively, in Hospitals not sold.
Some have worried that with an influx of more people, it will be harder to achieve a seat in Parliament. I believe that would actually be good for the Country, however, as we would have a higher quality of legislator.
Details
To merge, we would have to fight a "fake" or "Training" war. In order not to leave the new Union without an MPP alliance with Russia, we would begin by having the United Netherlands ("Netherlands" in game) attack East of England, activating our MPPs and cancelling theirs. We would then be able to counter-attack. Since this would be a merger, if the battles were to go poorly for the UK side, the President of the Netherlands could retreat. The exact plan would depend on the circumstances at the time. The whole process is likely to cost about one to one and a half thousand gold, in Declaration of War cost and attack costs.
Our political system would change significantly from this. It is most likely that our parties would merge with theirs based on ideology. This would change the relative sizes and adjust the ideological inclinations of our parties.
The draft constitution (below) names the Union as the "United Kingdom of Belgium, Great Britain, the Netherlands, and Northern Ireland". If desired, we could change the name to a better one, should a better idea come along, by amending it. If we unite, we will assemble a list of suggested flags for the Union and ask the Citizens to vote on them. Hopefully this will result in a good flag.
The merger of our government's Ministries would be a complex process, but we are confident that our Ministers will do it well.
A particularly complex detail of this proposal is the currency. The Ministries of Finance estimate that there are 240 thousand NLG in private hands: it would be unfair not to replace those guilders (they would become unusable after a merger). The Ministers have, however, come to an agreement of how they would do it: They would make 4 separate offers at gradually cheaper rates, selling Pounds (which we'd have to print) for guilders. The idea would be to make those in a hurry to get GBP have to pay a little more, and avoid too sudden a shock to the pound currency market. I am given to understand that the rates at which the currencies would be traded have been decided, based on the current exchange rates.
This forum would become the official forum, and the enetherlands.nl forum would become an archive as well as possibly a local governance forum.
We might want to legislate a Local Government for the United Netherlands, to avoid alienating some more patriotic citizens: I would listen to the opinion of the UNL citizens on this question, although I worry that it would get in the way of unity.
Constitution
As the Dutch and Belgians learned, when entering into a union, we need to know what the terms of the union are. Therefore, we have to agree to a Constitution that sets down how the Government and Parliament will work, and sets down the rights of the Union's members. One of the rights is the right to read important documents and announcements in your own language, so below our proposed constitution is in three languages:
English
Dutch
French
Comments
1st. And still against this, though 🙂
I really am in favour, it'll improve our economy and lot of stuff.
Chortle.
Together we can rule the world! 😃
Why not? Let's do it 😃
Against
Join eFrance 😛
We will join eFrance later 😉
No, France will join us! 😛
Voted and in favor, the more the merrier
Please, just try!
haha..
UK is the cause of the downfall of both atlantis and peace
it will kill you too, NL, trust me..
the union with belgium didnt work properly, and their culture looks a lot like our one
this wont work.
The United Kingdom doesn't exactly have a good reputation throughout wide parts of the eWorld, so this might taint the image of the UNL and make it the target of hostilities.
How about turning the UNL into a kingdom by itself? It would help to have a monarch able to speak for all of the Union's people, even if like now they're separated into two states, and to give them a more personalised sense of unity.
lol 2 highst, +1
UNL want to be Toasted, like UK ? 😃
and hucard +1
In Favour 😉
Sorry about the Swedish troll, he knows not what he speaks of.
If I remember ATLANTIS fell when Sweden attacked Germany.
That aside, It'd be great if a merger did take place, but either way we respect all of your opnions on the matter 😃D
im not swedish, im dutch, please adress me right
actually half-dutch half-swedish, but it doesnt matter, as i have livd long enough in eNL/eUNL to know this wont work 😃
but you're right about me just trolling
I approve of this.
I'm against!
Why?
- The citizens of UNL will be outnumbered by Brits (The total UNL population is half that of only London)
-The French and Dutch speaking people will be minorities (the current multilanguage newspapers may dissapear)
-The UK doesn't a good reputation in the eWorld.
We should at least put a lot of thought into this and the government should listen well to its citizens. We should not make any rash decisions.
That's my humble opinion 🙂
-Jipp
sounds like a revival of William the 3rd :/
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Let's do it!
Nee.
If I wanted to be British, I'd have joined eUK when I started.
Even though most companies probably wouldn't have a problem paying for it, it shouldn't be forgotten that all companies would have to buy an UK market license for 5 gold.
A rather long name. Can we become the United Kingdoms or the Three Kingdoms?
Furthermore the exchange of NLG to GPB will help the rich. They can wait. I think a fixed rate like the UNL did with Belgium and only for UNL citizens/companies will do far better, I think.
Also Belgium could be a different part of this union. Why to say to merge with UNL? Part of Belgium is now outside UNL.
Alliance yes, merger no. 🙂 A merger is just not something you do at the moment you feel any friendship. Don't feel like saying any more about it at the moment, will see how serious this turns out to be.
<3 UNL
Matt: this about more than just friendship o.O
I will only support this if the union is a federal one with local governance over the regions of eUNL.
I support this!
I support an alliance, not a merger.
huk3d stop trolling around if you dont know what you are talking about...
@ Jipp
- We will be outnumbered but that doesn't mean anything. In the past a lot of non Brittish people held very high positions on the eUK even the presidency. There are currently a lot of belgians active in the eUK and they are open towards everyone, I am not affraid this will affect active citizens from doing good stuff...
Secondly I think that this only improves the quality of the work which is done. We didn't speak dutch or french in more than 8 months now. We all spoke english, not a real valid argument to be honest
- English reputation is not good? tell me why? they have been good friends to us and helped us everytime when we requested help! I think that is a good reputation... Or are you now following the EDEN trolls who are making fun of the army strenght... if that determines the reputation of a country than we are no where.
I agree we should listen to the citizens thats why we came up with a plan to involve citizen in the decions making process as well
@ Lucasian... well thats a very valid argument.... (not)
If you want a federal government, keep dreaming.
I support this.
i think it's a good plan
but please no franch
i like the idea🙂 i hope this will happen 🙂
Agreed with Garmr: in favor, the more the merrier 🙂
Het samengaan van belgie en nederland kende al heel wat problemen, zelfs tot vandaag de dag.
En volgens mij staan belgie en nederland dichter bij elkaar dan met de UK.
Ik wil het graag geloven dat we erop vooruit zullen gaan met de UNL na een samensmelting met de UK, maar ben bang dat het nog minder zal verlopen dan met de UNL in het begin.
In elk geval eerst goed uitwerken voor het gaat gebeuren 😉
ps: i know no english, but i had not that much time to think bi langual 😛
o_0'
"actually half-dutch half-swedish"
Cool!
I agree with Hugo that there will have to be ALOT of guarantees that the UNL's democracy wont suffer, if this is to go ahead. I support the increased defense and economic capabilities that this union will bring, but I am not sure that the rights and freedoms of the UNL can be effectively defended if there is a union.
I agree with Thomas Fairfax, it's a nice idea, but can we be assured that the UNL won't become just a province to eUK and more importantly in the eyes of it's citizens?
Although we are a much smaller country than the eUK, we would need an equal say in matters, rather than being dominated by a majority eUK leadership.
If you were able to solve the issue with Belgium once, i don't understand why you couldn't do it with the brits. Your ministers already have the experience of a merging process, and they can provide the information needed to do the merge.
Oh and ignore the romanian and swedish trolls, those 9 year old kids have to troll somewhere.
Sincerely,
an eHungarian citizen
laten we dan ook gelijk met Duitsland en frankrijg mergen, misschien ook nog zwitserland en polen erbij, wat boeit het ook!!
nu serieus: Lijkt me geen goed plan, als je kijkt al hoe het zit: 7500 tegen 1000 van nederland/belgie?? Dit word dan de laatste keer dat een belgische/nederlandse president komt. Als jullie denken ook maar enige inspraak te hebben in engeland, kunnen jullie het mooi vergeten daarzo... gewoon zo blijven, of laat belgie gaan, dan kan je ook niet meer geRW'ed worden
I'm against this.
gewoon naar gassie luisteren
Little countries have benefits as well
Volledig tegen
eUK was misschien vroeger een deftig land maar tegenwoordig is al trollen wat de klok slaat. Hun leger is ronduit belachelijk (20k dmg en van die dingen) en verder staat hun forum vol me ruzie en onenigheid.
Serieus mensen, jullie zijn veel beter af zonder eUK. eUSA kan ze trouwens toch elk moment gaan aanvallen.
Als je dan toch zo graag in eUK wil zijn, ga daar dan wonen.
Hehe American troll speaking there o.O
In favour.. got nothing more to add