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You have my vote 🙂

sal lume au ajuns romanii in ucraina

macar spam sa facem si noi pe aici pana imi iau bani de bilete

Viira, political representation is proportional with demographic and economic weight in the society. Which part of the eUkrainian society do you represent? How many are there of you? How much of the GDP do your supporters generate, how much of the tax income?
Also - eUkraine CANNOT be neutral. Being situated between two of the strongest eNations and having high-grain and high-iron regions leave you NO CHOICE - you have to take sides. Beware of trying to play a double game - see what happened to eGermany?

By managing to keep Dnipro and thus threatening to attack Podolia the Hungarians forced Romania to retreat from the battle for the region and turn it over to Ukraine. What do you have to say now?!

I suggest "Thanks you, Hungarian brothers-in-arms!" 🙂

Слава Україні!

Romania will try TO Ukraine, becouse they can't fight against Hungary in 1v1 now... but Hungary will be here to help you, but you need only 1 person to run for president election to prevent the TO...
And we are happy that you got Podolia back, and we will not let lose it again in fight, we will fight in your side if you will be attacked...🙂

@Graklulan - you are amusing in one post you say win the elections and then you will be the proper representative and now in an other you say this person doesn't represent the political demographic in the country. Why don't you wait till after the elections are over to make that comment.

And eUkraine can try to be neutral if it wants to be just as any country can try to achieve what it wants. Just because you think it can not does not make it so. We do not have to chose sides we can chose our own destiny as we see fit.

If you took the time to read all the articles written in the last week you would clearly see that myself and other have thanked the current government (and their allies) for many things such as helping us regain certain regions and providing us with a hospital but there are also certain things that we disapprove of and disagree on. Once we disagree with something everyone comes out en mass telling us how ungrateful we are and how great eHungarians are when we didn't even start that divisiveness between eHungarians and eUkrainians.

@Viira - excellent platform, don't worry about Grakulan, the mere sign that he is here is to counter our voice and proves it is slowly growing stronger as he is one of PEACE's biggest and most well known propaganda voices.

And to reiterate I am neither pro-PEACE or pro-Romanian I am pro-Ukrainian. The mere fact, Grakulan, that you are making threats like "see what happened to eGermany" show your true colors.

Grakulan: Ukraine CAN be neutral. I think we can give Podolia up in the interest of neutrality. At this moment Podolia is only burden our neck.
The high taxes incoming from there are expended to the war to keep it.
The Ukrainian people (workers, company managers) need exactly such a president who stands for values like written above by Viira. She is the common denominator in this international formula.

Damn, I didn't think I'd see this - someone agreeing to give up a high-iron region to stay neutral. You have to work out the details with your neighbors, neither of which I represent, so I can't speak with them, but to me personally this sounds possible.

A lot of things depend on what will happen at tomorrow's elections.

Celtis:

And you think eHungary is just going to sit back and watch as you give Podolia to the eRomanians?
I don't think so...

@Gomboc - exactly where in Celtis' post does he say Podolia would be given over to eRomania?

Danylo:

We don't need Podolia anymore 🙂

"... myself and other have thanked the current government (and their allies) for many things such as helping us regain certain regions and providing us with a hospital but there are also certain things that we disapprove of and disagree on."

@ Danylo, saying "thanks for helping us out, now f*ck off" is naive - nobody gives something for nothing, and you should know that. You are trying to deny endebtedness and want to receive a country fully liberated and restored as a gift with no strings attached - do you think this will happen, or that this is a just demand?!

Pointing out the eGermany example is no threat (as you can see PEACE GC is currently saving their back-stabbing a** for the second time), but a lesson you better learn from other people's experience so you don't end up learning it at your own expense. eAustralia and eIndia have created a model of peaceful coexistence with a strong neighbor which you should learn from.

I came to help fight for a free eUkraine. While I was here I tried to get acquainted with the local politics and I quickly saw the source of misunderstanding between some Ukrainians and the Hungarian government - you want to receive as a FREE GIFT something which others paid for and struggled for over months. You may have said "Thank you", but talk is cheap - don't you think so much help deserves payback in the form of friendly actions?! Your behavior is like asking for the keys of a car you didn't buy and don't know how to drive.

The biggest problem is you talk without listening, so the other side gets tired of answering to the same childish remarks and ends up IGNORING you, and then you start crying you are not heard. To be heard one has to listen.

Also it is kinda sad you perceive me as a PEACE propagandist only because I tried to be the voice of reason and mediate between the two big groups in the country.

Regardless I wish you the best of luck! May you prove to be mature enough for the role you're trying to play.

@Grakulan - can you please explain to me where I specifically told someone to f... off? You are once again putting words in my mouth.

I am also glad you came to mediate because while I have not attacked or insulted anyone personally I have been constantly called stupid and an idiot and crazy and many other things in posts and I won't even get into personal attacks on me in pms since those can not be posted here anyway.

You are right to be heard one has to listen. If you are truly here to mediate you would do well to inform all parties of that little wonderful tidbit of advice.

And common now, you know very well that I did not call you a PEACE propagandist because you came here to mediate and be the voice of reason. Your posts all over the eWorld are plain for everyone to see. Your voice of reason has appeared in the comments section in media outlets all over the eWorld.

The only answers I have received from, as you call it 'the other side' is "you have to trust us" and that my friend is just not good enough for me. Because if I don't trust the government in real life, I sure as hell am not going to trust one here without questioning their motives.

I ask you to keep Podolia, but vote low income taxes. You won't get any money like that.
The article shows nothing pragmatic..

So, Danylo, you prefer to try to compete with the Hungarians AND the Romanians on your own, because their word is not good enough for you, and their PAST ACTIONS are not strong enough evidence of intentions for you?! Wow, you are a man of extremely high standards! The kind of person who would rather destroy something because it's not according to his taste, than let it exist in its imperfect form, huh?

Listen, Romania is weakened and even if they PTO eUkraine that won't save them from losing Podolia. But I'm not sure the Hungarians will go the same trouble to rebuild your country if tomorrow you split the vote and thus allow a Romanian to become president and send eUkraine once again into non-existence. Think about that. I know it's easy for you to play "everything or nothing" with a country you didn't build, but your actions may prove to be very costly for your countrymen.

Grakulan: I don't say "thanks for helping us out, now f*ck off".
Respect for the Hungarian foot soldiers who have fought for Ukraine and offered their private golds for the sake of the cause.
But I'm not naive, I know it exactly that these decisions of the Hungarian Congress (and/or of the President) are not only in the interest of Ukraine's freedom.

The aquire of the iron fields of Podolia was the interest of Hungary.
Ukraine don't need iron fields since we can't finance wars because of our low population. And possibly many Ukrainian people dont't playing just for the fighting and expanding. Maybe it is just in the head of the Hungarian and Romanian people. 😛

So you have 'helped' us in the fields we did not need and did not ask you.
And in exchange for this 'help' you have occupied our state and our economy. We came off badly from this exchange.

Even so you are welcome in our country. Settle down as you like it, work and live your life. But don't try to dominate us, and don't deprive us of our private freedom.

Celtis, your point is one I largely agree with. I think the original Hungarian plan was to keep Podolia, but the Romanians interfered and ruined it, so now you're saddled with it whether you like it or not. I understand your displeasure at having Hungarians use your country for their purposes, but otherwise you would still be part of Romania, so look at it from the positive side and try to make the best out of an imperfect situation.

I'm not planning on settling here and I'm not sure I'm going to stay here for the vote. I came to fight and since the battles are over (VICTORY, yay!🙂 I'll probably leave, but I wanted to try and help establish a dialogue in the face of tomorrow's elections threat, so these victories are not in vain.

BTW I'm not Hungarian 🙂

You are not Hungarian, indeed. Sorry, i was perfunctory. 🙂

I don't think (only hope) that we can change the state in one day.
Step by step, we will endeavor to achieve this freedom, balance and true peace.

@Grakulan - there is no need to look at everything in absolutes because nations here are built they are destroyed and are rebuilt again. That is part of the simulation and part of what makes it interesting to play. Playing one strategy and with the intention of simply controlling the world may be appealing to some but not to all.

As I keep saying this game can not be won, it can only be lost.

The problem is that many Ukrainians would like to keep Podolia and let everyone use it's resources but unfortunately the warmongers in the game feel that one power should control the resources and prevent the other power from using them. Unfortunately, the warmongers are currently in the majority. One day maybe this will change but for now it exists and is the key problem at hand.

I think I speak for most eUkrainians that we would be more than willing to let PEACE and whoever their current enemy at the time is take turns taking Podolia back from each other every week or every day if they like and we will live in our little piece of the world and try and build something the 'boring' way.

On the other hand, if both Hungary and Romania were to agree to let Podolia be they could both have companies there and produce their iron for their weapons for their pissing matches in other parts of the world. You know, a kumbaya sort of thing. 🙂

When your eNation gathers strength you won't be so peaceful anymore. But that's a thing of the future. For now I wish you good luck in protecting what you have and making yourself comfortable in your newly liberated motherland.

Слава Україні!

Komolyan mondom, néhány hónap múlva, ha majd elég nagy lesz a különbség Magyarország és Románia közt (természetesen a mi javunkra), megérné kivonulni Ukrajnából, hogy egy hónapig legyenek csak újra a románok az urak, talán utána ez a két félnótás befogná már végre a pofáját. Botrányos amit művelnek...

Respect Grakulan!

Virra's been a very nice person and seems to have great ideas. You've got my vote.

Тут був Стіві.

Тут був Дєня