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The hard truth about Israeli economy / האמת הכואבת על הכלכלה הישראלית [HEB/ENG]

Dia 1,825, 19:16 Published in Israel Israel por John TG


Hebrew:

ישראלים יקרים,
בזמן האחרון אני קראתי כמה מאמרים על הכלכלה בישראל, על ביטול אספקה וטענות כלפי הממשלה הנוכחית, אני הגבתי בכמה מהמאמרים אבל חשבתי שזה יהיה יותר טוב לפרסם מאמר שבו אני מפרסם את המחשבות שלי והרעיונות שלי.

ראשית, אני רוצה להגיד שאני שר החוץ ולא שר האוצר, בנוסף אני רוצה להעיד שאני לא תומך של אף ממשלה, ואני חייב להודות שמיו2 עובד קשה כי לתקן את הבעיות הכלכליות, אתם מכירים אותי טוב מאוד, עזרתי עם הידע והניסיון שלי לכל ממשלה שביקשה את עזרתי בעמדות ממשליות שונות (שירתתי את המדינה כשר ביטחון, שר חוץ, שר אוצר).

אני חפץ ורוצה שכל היחידות הפרטיות בישראל יוכלו לקבל אספקות מהממשלה ואין לי שום בעיה עם אף אחת מהיחידות הצבאיות בישראל.

בנוסף כל המספרים מדוחות של שר האוצר הקודם רוביג (כשר חוץ אין לי גישה למסמכי האוצר של הממשלה), אז תקנו אותי אם אני טועה במספרים המוצגים למטה.

אז בואו נראה כמה עובדות על הכלכלה שלנו:

סך הכל כמות הכסף שיש לנו היא:

חשבונות המדינה
: http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/economy/Israel
כשאנחנו חותמים הסכם הגנה עם מדינת ברית 10 אלף שקלים נעלמים מיידית מחשבון זה
(חוק במכניקת המשחק)

ארגון האוצר הלאומי (אנחנו תורמים את הכסף מאוצר המדינה לארגון האוצר דרך הצעות תרומה שעוברות בכנסת):
http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/1298037
הממשלה משתמש בארגון הלאומי כדי לקנות אספקות לחיילים, קניית אוכל לשחקנים חדשים והוצאות נוספות, מכניקת המשחק לא מאפשרת לקנות אוכל ונשקים ישירות מאוצר המדינה, השקלים שבאוצר המדינה משומשים רק לחוזקי הגנה.

בואו נראה את ההכנסות שלנו:

-Taxes: לפי הדוחות של רוביג, ההכנסות של ישראל בממוצע ביום מסתכמות באלף שקלים, מה שאומר שמדינת ישראל מרוויחה 30 אלף בשקל.

מדליות קונגרס (5 גולד): אפילו אם כל חברי הנכסת (מקסימום 40) יתרמו את מדלית הקונגרס שלהם (5 גולד) המדינה תרוויח 200 גולד. עם המחיר הנוכחי של הגולד (גולד = 490 שקל) מדינת ישראל תרוויח 490* 5 = 98 אלף שקלים.

אז ההכנסות החודשיות הן 98000+30000 = 138000 שקלים
בואו נבדוק את ההוצאות שלנו:
כי להיות מוגנת כל חודש ישראל צריכה לחתום או לחדש חוזי הגנה עם הבריתות שלה, לפי דעתי (אני חושב שלא יהיה אחד שלא יסכים עם זה), ישראל צריכה לפחות שישה חוזי הגנה עם מדינות בכירות של עדן (לדוגמא קרואטיה, יוון, רומניה,טורקיה,ארגנטינה, סין) ועוד שלושה בריתות הגנה עם מדינות בכירות אחרות (ארהב רוסיה ברזיל). אז ישראל צריכה 9 חוזי הגנה, כל חוזה הגנה עולה עשרת אלפים שקלים, אז בעצם אנחנו צריכים לבזבז 90 אלף שקלים בשביל חוזי הגנה כל חודש.

אז סיכום קטן

הכנסות: 138,000 שקלים
הוצאות: 90,000 שקלים
אז בעצם יש לנו 38000 שקלים לבזבז על אוכל לשחקנים חדשים, ואספקה לחיילים

על פי הדוח של רוביג על אספקות:

העלות הכוללת של האספקות של שמשון וצהל ביחד הם 38688 בשבוע, זה אומר 38688 * 4 (ארבע שבועות בשבוע) = 154752 שקל בחודש!!!!

יש לנו 38000 שקל לבזבז על אספקות ואוכל לחדשים בחודש ואנחנו מבזבזים 154752 שקל כל חודש!!!

אז בואו נסכם שוב
הכנסות: 128,000 שקל
הוצאות: 90 אלף שקל + 154752 שקל = 244752
הבדל: 128000-244752 = -166752 שקלים


אז אם אתם רוצים את מערכת האספקה הנוכחית של שמשון וצהל אנחנו צריכים 166752 שקל בחודש

אנחנו לא צריכים פרופסור למתמטיקה כדי להבין את זה שישראל בדרך לפשיטת רגל.

ההצעות שלי:


נכון לעכשיו, כל השכנות שלנו, לא כולל ערב הסעודית הן מדינות ברית, יוון טורקיה וקפריסין הן מדינות ברית, אז נכון לעכשיו אין לנו אפשרות (וגם כוח צבאי( לבקש עוד בונוסים, המקסימום בונוסים שלנו הם הם המושבות אל ג’אף (ברזל) והגבולות הצפוניים (חיטה).

- אני מציע לבינתיים (או לפחות עד שהמודול הכלכלי יתוקן והמחיר של הגולד יעלה) לבטל את כל האספקות של שמשון וצהל או לפחות לבטל את אספקות הנשק ולהשאיר את האספקה של האוכל (האוכל זול יותר).

- אספקות של אוכל ונשק רק מתי שיש לנו התמרדויות בקולונות שלנו.

- אני מציע להנמיך את המס ייבוא של הכל חוץ מכרטיסים ל1%

- אני מציע לכל הישראלים לקנות מהשוק הישראלי גם אם המחירים בשוק הישראלי יקרים משווקים אחרים

- אני מציע ל כל חברי הכנסת לתרום את מדליית הקונגרס שלהם

אתם חופשיים להסכים או לא להסכים עם ההצעות והרעיונות שלי.
תנו לי את הרעיונות שלכם.

תודה על הקריאה,
John TG שר החוץ של ישראל

*Many Thanks to RoaiTG for the hebrew translation



English:

Dear Israeli people,
Lately I read some articles about the situation of Israeli economy, about cutting supplies off, about complaints towards the current government etc.
I commented in some of these articles but I thought it will be better to publish an article posting my thoughts and ideas.

First of all, I want to inform the people that I’m the Minister of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) and NOT the Minister of Finance (MoF).
Also, I want to testify that I’m NOT blind supporter of ANY government, or ANY Country President but i have to admit that meow2 is trying really hard to fix these problems. You know me very well, I helped with my experience and my knowledge EVERY government that asked for my help in different governmental positions (I served as MoD, MoFA, MoF).
I wish and I want ALL military Units of Israel to be able to receive supplies from the state and I DON’T have ANY problem with ANY military Unit of Israel.

Also, ALL the numbers below are from the reports of previous Minister of Finance RuviG (personally as MoFA I don’t have access to government’s economy and treasury documents), so correct me if I am wrong to any of the numbers below.

So, let’s see some facts about our economy:

ALL the money we have is:

The country accounts: http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/economy/Israel
When we sign or renew a mpp with an allied country 10.000 NIS automatically disappear from these accounts. (Game mechanics rules).

The national treasury org (we donate NIS from country accounts to this national org via congress proposals): http://www.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/1298037
This national org is used to buy supplies for our soldiers, buy food for new players and other expenses. (Game mechanics don’t allow buying weapons, food, supplies directly from country accounts (NIS inside country accounts are used ONLY for mpps).

Let’s see our incomes:

-Taxes: According to RuviG’s reports, Israel’s incomes from taxes (average) are 1000 NIS per day. So that means that Israeli state earns 30000 NIS from taxes per month!

-Congress medals (5 gold): Even if ALL Knesset members (maximum 40 Knesset members) donate their medal (5 gold) the state will earn 200 gold. With the current price of gold (right now in monetary market 1 gold = 490 NIS) the Israel state will earn 200*490 = 98000 NIS.

So our monthly incomes are 30000 + 98000= 128000 NIS

Let’s see our expenses:

-Every month Israel to be safe needs to sign or renew mpps with allied country. In my opinion ( I think no one will disagree to this), Israel needs AT LEAST 6 mpps with some major EDEN countries (for example, Croatia, Greece, Romania, Turkey, Argentina, China) and 3 more mpps with other major allied countries (for example USA, Brazil, Russia). So Israel needs 9 mpps. Every mpp costs 10000 NIS, so basically we need to spend 90000 NIS for mpps PER MONTH.

So, let’s summarize:
Incomes: 128000 NIS
Expenses: 90000 NIS
Difference: 128000-90000 = 38000 NIS
Basically we have 38000 NIS for spending in food for new players, supplies for our soldiers.


According to RuviG’s report about supplies:

Samson and IDF cost of supplies is 38688 NIS PER WEEK. That means 38688*4(4 weeks per month) = 154752 NIS PER MONTH!!!!
We have 38000 NIS per month for spending but we are spending 154752 NIS per month!!!

So let’s summarize again:
Incomes: 128000 NIS
Expenses: 90000 NIS + 154752 NIS = 244752 NIS
Difference: 128000 – 244752 = -116752 NIS


So, if we want to keep the current supply system to Samson and IDF we need 116752 NIS more per month!!
You don’t need to be a professor in mathematics to realize that in this way Israel will lead to bankruptcy.

My proposals:

Right now, with the current status quo of the area, all our neighbors, except Saudi Arabia, are allies.
Greece, Turkey and Cyprus are allies. So basically right now we don’t have the possibility (and the military strength) to demand or occupy more bonuses. Our maximum bonuses right now is our original regions + colonies of Al Jawf (aluminum) and N.Borders (grain).

-I propose for a while, (at least until the economy module is fixed or the gold price in monetary market rises) to CUT ALL the supplies off for Samson AND IDF.
At least, we can cut off the supplies of weapons and keep only the supply of food (food is cheaper).

-Supplies of food and weapons ONLY when we have hard resistance wars in our colonies.

-I propose to lower the import taxes to EVERY product (EXCEPT moving tickets) to 1%

-I propose ALL israeli people to buy from Israeli market even if israeli market is more expensive than other markets.

-I propose ALL the Knesset members to donate their medals to the state.

You are free to disagree and discuss any of my proposals and ideas.
Give me your ideas.

Thanks for reading,
John TG, MoFA of Israel
 

Comentários

Léon Reno
Léon Reno Dia 1,825, 19:37

"all our neighbors, except Saudi Arabia, are allies.
Greece, Turkey and Cyprus are allies. "

Don't sign any MPP for few months, If you think like this. It's easier way.

John TG
John TG Dia 1,825, 19:40

@Leon
We need some mpps, because sometimes we loose 1 region by resistance forces of Saudi, so we need some small help to NE battle against them.
Also, as allies (when we dont have hard resistance wars) we need to help our allies.

Seckin.Ozturk
Seckin.Ozturk Dia 1,825, 20:11

dont sign MPP with your ally, until you or they need this help so much.

for ex, cyprus doesn't have hard wars, also you dont have too. so you dont need this help and mpp ATM. Israel and Cyprus can open supply with this 10.000 cc when you need help. if you really need this mpp, u can sign in 1 day.

kloraq
kloraq Dia 1,825, 22:21

If I'm not mistaken, you're also earning some currency from the Turkish rent deal as well John.

You have to include that in this equation.

eIDF Reserves
eIDF Reserves Dia 1,826, 00:20

Hey John
I agree with you completely on your article


About taxes - I have already said several times - to download import tax to 1% in all products
When the Israeli market will be cheaper as the rest of the world it will be a lot more buying and selling on the Israeli market = more taxes to the state

About supply - this is my opinion

I know that there are financial difficulties lately, I've been following the financial position of Israel all the time

eIDF Reserves
eIDF Reserves Dia 1,826, 00:21

I have no problem with cuts in delivery of soldiers

I also have no problem to cut more in the supply of Samson than the IDF supplies, Samson could finance the difference

I only have one problem: completely cut Samson's supplies but to give a full supply for the IDF - it's a problem for me


VOTED

Sicarius
Sicarius Dia 1,826, 01:16

V

danis1982
danis1982 Dia 1,826, 01:30

Voted! Agree 100%!

nerofida
nerofida Dia 1,826, 01:39

what about the weekly fee u pay for EDEN?

John TG
John TG Dia 1,826, 01:54

@kloraq
There isnt any rent from Turkey about Hail.It was an one-time fee of 30k.

@nerofida
This is a "sad story " for many countries.

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,826, 02:17

Is this "I propose ALL israeli people to buy from Israeli market even if israeli market is more expensive than other markets" a joke?

This goes completely against the laws of the market. Its funny because if i bought more expensive products inside israel and then i will try to sale my own products on israel market (but as you already say) the import taxes will be 1%, so any other country vendor will beat my offer and it will be impossible for me make profit!

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,826, 02:19

I propose that ALL THE RESISTANCE HERO medals that are won by the force obtained with the eidf soldiers MUST be donated, because they are earning a medal and 5 golds, thanks to the orders that themselves choose, to make a whole army to supports them.

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,826, 02:23

U are trasnfering the estate bankrupcy to a lot of individuals brankrupcys of the people of israel.

Joe Franco
Joe Franco Dia 1,826, 02:26

The state has no obligation to provide private MU's of any supplies at first hand. Hence the National Army where the state offers everybody and anyone with Israeli nationality a place.

Although it only benefits Israel if all Military Units make damage for the country and receives food and weps in return, it makes nothing else than sense that during a financial crisis she returns to her core business.
Supplying her National Army.

Joe Franco
Joe Franco Dia 1,826, 02:26

Whether in other countries they can and are supplying their private MU's, at this moment, in Israel its financially not reachable.

John TG
John TG Dia 1,826, 02:27

@Angie Varona
With my phrase "I propose ALL israeli people to buy from Israeli market even if israeli market is more expensive than other markets" i mean at least the israeli people to buy from israeli market the products they need!!
For example, if i need 100 foods or 10 weapons to fight..i will buy them from the israeli market so the state can gather some taxes.
I dont see the israeli market as a chance to make profit (and you as israeli you shouldnt either).

John TG
John TG Dia 1,826, 02:27

@Angie Varona
I didnt understand your second comment about resistance hero medals..

John TG
John TG Dia 1,826, 02:36

@Angie Varona
Also, right now when Israel cannot afford to pay even its mpps...personally i dont care if individualy some people are able to make profit.
For months the state was "feeding" many people...right now israeli state cant do that anymore.

Blacksat
Blacksat Dia 1,826, 02:43

Why not use the gold you keep in those little pockets in your coats?

M. de Ruyter
M. de Ruyter Dia 1,826, 04:02

In stead of supplying your armed forces for free, let them all work for it in communes. State pays for the raws, get all the weaps produced by the workers, en supply them like 5 Q7 a day. The rest can be sold to pay for the raws.

Xenophanes
Xenophanes Dia 1,826, 04:07

This is an extremely informative and important read. I will always be a firm proponent of the National Army over private MU's, and a simple factoid is that Samson makes up of 1/5 our entire population. Do you know how draining that is on the national economy? It is an unauthorized, independent, private MU. The state should never have funded it in the first place. They want to be separate, independent, privatized, apart from the National Army, yet cry when denied its perks. What absurdity!

Xenophanes
Xenophanes Dia 1,826, 04:09

What it comes down to, however, is the continued preservation and long-term success of the eIsrael state. If my unit has to fight with flowers instead of rifles for a little while, so be it. Limit us to food alone. We'll persevere and come out stronger in the future.

Augustus Grim
Augustus Grim Dia 1,826, 04:51

van Spijck: we don't have any communes for that... It has come up many times, but no one is available for that.

Vlad Gordin
Vlad Gordin Dia 1,826, 05:09

@John TG - resistance hero medals - if our state decided to liberate (by any reason) any region, then all israeli players that got RH medal should donate it (or at least half).

Hunter Willis
Hunter Willis Dia 1,826, 05:29

Voted

100% agree about buying from our market.

If I had one way to make our economy stronger, it would be everyone buying from the eIsraeli market more.

And buying foreign products less.

It keeps our money in our country.

Thats how we will make money.

Also, agree with supplies.

This would make people buy more products in our country.

And grow our economy.

Awesome article.

a neria
a neria Dia 1,826, 05:38

V

nerofida
nerofida Dia 1,826, 05:39

If u want to balance your economis, there are two ways u can do it, which work simultaneously.

1. Cut the expenses
2. Increase the income

To increase the income, u can adjust the tax system, mainly to take advantage of the bot. U can also invest in the monetary market.

To cut the expenses, u should discuss a solution with EDEN to fund the MPPs and cut the weekly fees ( i remember 1 year ago it was 20.000+ cc per week for eGreece) plus another 10.000 for EMC! The allies should help

nerofida
nerofida Dia 1,826, 05:41

financially too. They can also give u advice about reforming the tax system to a more profitable one.

OfirG
OfirG Dia 1,826, 08:45

Augustus Grim, think again buddy.

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,826, 09:21

RaviMirza
RaviMirza Dia 1,826, 09:25

voted o7..

MoFA eIndonesia organized a game for International eRep players:
www.erepublik.com/en/article/2159375/1/20

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israeli tov
israeli tov Dia 1,826, 10:39

hebrew please ?

RoaiTG
RoaiTG Dia 1,826, 11:16

Joe FrancoDay 1,826, 02:26 Whether in other countries they can and are supplying their private MU's, at this moment, in Israel its financially not reachable.

I WONDER WHAY

Sedsky
Sedsky Dia 1,826, 13:13

Palestine is immortal
Down with Occupiers

Filthy McNasty
Filthy McNasty Dia 1,826, 16:52

i agree with leon .. you guys dont need no mpps at all... you need to give saudi arabia back their land.... besides even with the mpps you have what will happen next turkey attacks you again your own ally ? then you do nothing about it? nobody needs israel's help ...

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,826, 17:28

@Jhon, dont take it personal. Im just saying that i dont think that only for the military module, all the eIsrael players need to suffer. Even those that only want to play other modules and they dont care to fight (is not my case)

And vlad explained perfectly my idea of the RH medals. If somebody wins a RH medal thanks to the soldiers of the eIDF that fought on that region because those where the orders, i think that the gold of that medal must be donated to eIsrael.

John TG
John TG Dia 1,826, 17:41

@Angie
Unfortunately, the military module affects the other modules a lot.Without someone's fights , Israel will not have the bonuses..so the economy module is connected to the military module.
But even if someone doesnt want to focus into military module...so i suppose he hasnt any problem by cutting his supplies off.

About the resistance hero medal..yes i agree with you..But this didnt happen a lot of times.We liberated by purpose 2 times a colony for the missions.

AnrechyTimoty
AnrechyTimoty Dia 1,827, 03:24

Whay just Engish , if hav people not knows English ?

marcelbok
marcelbok Dia 1,827, 06:33

εβραιοι ειστε, θα τη βρειτε τη λυση στα οικονομικα xD

Voted, Good luck Israel

Atsalenios
Atsalenios Dia 1,827, 06:34

v επειδή μου έλειψες αρχίδι

Rickolas
Rickolas Dia 1,827, 06:41

@RoaiTG

Beacause we are a small country without a lot of money etc.

RoaiTG
RoaiTG Dia 1,827, 06:59

no, i don't think so

Kutluk Bilge Kul Anarsist
Kutluk Bilge Kul Anarsist Dia 1,827, 07:30

IMF , if you know what I mean...

Angie Varona
Angie Varona Dia 1,827, 08:47

@Jhon - 2 Resistance campaigns with a total of 20 israelis supporting it a 1000cc each one, makes an expense of 20000cc.

But those Resistance campaigns are certainly won, so we are going to recieve 5 gold for each BH medal. On a total of 20 israelis, we are going to recieve 100 gold.

100 gold = 40.000cc
40.000 - 20.000cc = 20.000cc

I think we can earn some money. The israelis will win a nice medal to their profile, and everybody is happy. We can even do this 3 times/month.

Joe Franco
Joe Franco Dia 1,827, 09:16

Angie: Only in the hypothetical case that everyone will contribute their G.
Considering the congressmedals we could easily assume that a certain group of people will not make that contribution.

Kiochan
Kiochan Dia 1,827, 10:49

I NEVER ask supplies; nobody should.

Steveeven
Steveeven Dia 1,827, 16:43

Good article, John. I agree with you. At least, the government can give food to military units.

For me, I never request supplies because I don't need them. I make my own. The supplies out there should be for new or needy players and we need to pressure them to save gold and NIS for economic development first, which is upgrading training grounds (esp. Q1), and developing their food and weapon industries.

 
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