Open Letter to Plato
Ian E CoIeman
I was told to address this to ********,
Several eIrish players have left the game over the last year unnecessarily - because of some especially abusive players in our national community who have made the experience of eR unenjoyable.
I believe that their behaviour is out of line with the rules set up by eR, and so I would like to do my part for both the community and the game by advocating that the following two players have their accounts banne😛
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/4618955
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/4882110
I know that these two players will certainly show up as having an abnormally high rate of reported content. This is because they are regularly abusive toward other players in a way that goes beyond expressing themselves, into a sadistic desire to bully other players - and they actually take pride in the fact that they have bullied several players away from your game.
I believe that even if they buy gold, overall they must be costing eR a lot of money - a concern both to you guys at HQ, and to us players who enjoy the game and want you to have the funds for development and upkeep. This may seem like a small problem, but its an easy fix, and a start to a larger systematic problem of volatile internet culture having a negative impact on your game experience. An example made here in eIreland is a step toward people being more likely to get their friends involved, and more willing to build the real value of user content, because we wont have to deal with spam and sadism without reproach.
I know you guys can't just ban someone for no reason. I recommend you start by referring to the number of reported articles/comments these guys are generating. Also, have a look through their newspapers. They're prolific spammers who manage to bully their victims, while having learned to avoid getting reported etc. It's the behaviour that needs to be addressed imho, not just the pg rating of the content.
I've also extended a line to eIreland's largest party to stand guard for eIreland's community and report any vulgar or abusive content, to highlight that this isn't just a small number of people in our community - keeping in mind eIreland is only about 100 or so active citizens anyway. I've also recommended that they advocate as I have, because I understand the position that you guys are in where you don't want to seem like overeacting tyrants who suffocate their game with bans etc - this is a real problem that our whole community suffers under, and that we would all feel much better if it were solved.
Sorry for the wall of text, and I hope that you'll take all of this in the spirit of gamers cooperating with developers for mutual benefit.
I'll leave you with this, which is a video made by some game developers on the business aspects of this issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9GwmOWoqo
Cheers,
Ian E Coleman
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I couldn't fit this into a ticket, so I decided to publish it here. I have no problem with you guys in the community seeing it either. I think this is something we need to do for ourselves.
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Hello,
Can you tell us again which account you want to delete.
Regards,
Your eRepublik team
I couldn't fit this into a ticket, so I decided to publish it here. I have no problem with you guys in the community seeing it either. I think this is something we need to do for ourselves.
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but..but....what...how.....i am shocked....
This article is a clear case of abuse......This amount of hate and racism and intolerance i did not see since IWW was put on bottom of the election list of EA party!
This way i appeal to admins to protect me from this this bully Ian E Coleman and bann his account...like they banned his previous account for using multis....
I too have feelings!
If you cut me donti bleed?
If you cut my head off dont it fall off and that bastard Highlander gets my quickening and The Prize....and a bunch of bad sequals?
Love = Kurgan
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Maybe Plato will listen to you, probably not. I would just ignore what ever those two players say. I know I do 😃
Easier said than done. It's not just what they're saying that's the problem - but the fact that its having a measurable effect on our community. People don't want to play a game with a big community aspect, if they have to deal with harassment. It's not just a problem here in eIreland, or here in eR, but for all of gaming.
In my opinion a troll stops being a troll if all ignore them. Granted it would be better if they were just removed.
I agree. I think we need to stop calling them trolls though and label them for what they are: attention seeking sadists. Trolling isn't always bad - abuse and harassment are a different matter.
I'm not sure that "Plato" will really get my message either. But dealing with this is in the interest of both them and us. If they don't get around to it though, I wont blame them... it takes me five minutes to write an article but they have to deal with the consequences of a decision - I just think banning these guys has the best possible consequences. Choosing to do nothing is still choosing to doing something.
I erased my 4 previous account to entertain myself so Ian's evil plan to silence the truth has failed from start.
As for trolls...i speak to few players here who are not brainwashed into total brain damage.
the rest are more then welcome to ignore me.
as i remember Ian and his Orc friends has been saying for years i am insignificant little troll no one listen...so why bother?
we are not trolls Dr Manhattan come on we are friends have I ever trolled you? He cannot ignore us because this is a cheap election trick. One day he will fall into the trough and be eaten by the pigs!
By the way a number of reported articles means nothing since every fool can press that button out of spite.
Especially if those fools are a group of players that engage in ecrimes and have huge issues with those who exposed those crimes to public.
Also those players who "left" are still regular in comments and also well known for using multis so thez can be a lot of thing but they did not quit this game.
May i also remind i am the one who is victim here.
Player Death and Taxes that you reffer as one who was bulied out of this game founded a political party with my genitals in party title.
Before that he bullied me in serial of articles...demanding and insulting...
A clear case of abuse even sex abuse...
Another player who are reffering here, Conway, bullied mike bane, now known as IWW for almost a year here and you not only stood silent you Ian suporrted conway....
You orc heard has been bullying much more players from this game i can count....
Conway has been invloved in every PTO here making players who just wanted to have a fun game of politic very sad and frustrated.
So get off from high horse Ian...you have dirt on your hands as much as your "poor" friends...
He just stole votes from other orc parties. well done ian make Ibhoy a non entity. we congratulate you.
Never realized it is that severe, thought they are part of rich heritage of "good old Irish trolls" having some class and using their skills for others.
Its not severe....
People Ian is reffering belong to a group we here call Orcs.
And Orcs has bullied a bunch of people by direct insults including death threats to them and their families.
Also this Orcs have history of drama queen behaviour when thing dont go their way.
They had articles about stepdad suicide, dead kittens, even how ibhoy died in car accident.
When i first came here same Orcs tried to make me falsely accuse one player for sex abuse.
the even showed me how to forge screenshot of PM.
Same Ian cared not when Conway and his friends bullied Loyen out of this game.
Loyen..a player who never said a single bad word to anyone or about enyone even he was heavily insulted and bullied by Orcs..
Not severe..just sever buthurt.
That rich heritage wasn't so great either - trolling is kind of an abstract concept too - there's a line between harmless fun and consistent sadistic intent. These two aren't the first time that line has been crossed. The main thing is that these guys just spam articles, and contribute nothing else.
We're better off without them.
It is that severe. Unwittingly, they have actually brought the eIrish community closer together. No matter what ingame feuds and disagreements we have all had over the years, NOTHING compares to the intolerable behaviour of these two. Their paranoid rantings indicate that its and "us" and "them" scenario, where rtk/vk speak for truth and decency against "orcs" or whatever bs labels they are using this season. Truth is, there is still plenty of healthy opposition within the eIrish, but this is a scourge that brings us all closer. Kinda like Reagan's UN address about the aliens 🙂
actually our list of children that needs to be punished has shortened. bhane is now of it due to kicking mrconway ass out of cabinet.
there's a difference between being a troll, and just being a jerk
I think subconsciously these two may even want to be banned. They know as much as anyone that their behaviour isn't healthy.
Good for you Ian.
Whether it is acted upon or not, I salute you for taking a stance, when many won't.
o7
except the last two years when i openly called for anti-bullying measures to be taken by the community and when no one responded while I was mercilessly trolled out of the game on multiple occasions. funny he suddenly gives a crap about it.
Not everyone stood idly by... some of us stood up for you, Bill.
Yeah I really don't have anything against you lol my only attack was saying you associated with Kunts which was a loose accusation.
she turned me into a newt! ... ... well i got better...
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Good man yourself, Ian. Voted!
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The article is so ironic, especially since you pointed your finger. If this was a general idea not targeting specific individuals, I would be all like "woo hoo go this, good work Ian" but since it doesn't fit my higher standards I condemn such bullying tactics.
Hold on a minute, I'm not sure a ban is the best way to deal with this. Fairly sure Krakken has a highly developed military level.
My granny could do more damage than him and his strength is no excuse for his actions, he has driven away more experienced payers with his antics, a ban is the only answer, we've seen enough of his bully boy tactics, time for action.
who? conway? ...nothing of value was lost there
While I'd like to be rid of him as well, population levels aren't really at a point where we can even afford to lose him.
In fairness, your granny is probably Romper haha
This is a case where personally the community experience more than strategy. If this is allowed to go on, than we have nothing worth defending here in eIreland.
i contribute more financially and on a military than this pipsqueek does. Dont have strength but use bombs i buy and waste it often for eireland cause. Brian this is just a weak attempt by him to gain votes. And the votes he is gaining is your parties vote as this is who we are on opposite sides off. Nicely played Ian why didnt you just tell Ibhoy you wanted to be head orc?
This whole article is an example of that subtle ironic Irish humour, isn't it?
It almost seems like it has been lifted from a Father Ted episode
i can't accept this article and any similar type. i think it's outside the eRepublik rules, to ask a ban in public..this reminds me dark times and ages.
if we all begin to act like that,it will be a shame to all of us.
..no good..
it's not because i am agree with you RTK and V.K.
you need to calm yourself with constant aggressive articles or answers.
enough is enough, it's a spam attack.
all of this is ridiculous, if you really want a better ireland or not just be selfish and make your own intern war, please change your attitude.
Aren't you as guilty as I am then? I spent a long time being nice to people, and I still became a villain to many. If I have an attitude, rest assured I have absolutely no reason to change it.
play the victim as you wish ian, but chose another guilty.
and to be sure i wrote "well" this second sentence was for RTK and VK.
the first was for you. what you did is really nasty.
It seems that I have extreme difficulty understanding you, my mistake.
Honestly though, the sad thing is that you would have been right. My attitude toward this game has changed because of VK and RTK. I'm mean and adversarial these days, and I'm not happy about it.
I'd much rather be a nice guy. This is why people end up having to leave eR. Writing a ticket to the admin to try and get people banned is very unpleasant... it's a last resort, and I don't take it lightly. I don't regret it either.
it's difficult to write correctly 😑"
i used to be a good writer in french, but in english, i am frustrated because i want to put second degree, more sense..etc etc..but i am limited. that's what i thought maybe your over reacting was again because i didn't explain well who i talked to.
and maybe because you think too quickly i am against you and all you say..it's not true
you make mistakes, you did wrong choices, but :
1- it's my opinion
2- you were CP, and not elected by all, it's normal to have conflicts, it's politic.
3- you're not CP, so you can think about it, and maybe understand some..things..
I understand where you're coming from Banshee, but this has nothing to do with when I was Cp, or the politics of the game.
My feelings on this issue date back about a year. The reason I'm on about this is because the mood took me and because I've been thinking about this for a long time.
its easy ian e if you don enjoy the game anymore :quit!
Damnit just because IU am african I have to tolerate your hatred. Where indeed do eIrish draw the line. The only african player in eireland must have all of his articles scrutinized so that they can find iffy breaches of their rules. Just act professional Ian its not me alone that "troll" Look at my fiction there is several trolls there without me even responding to one.
The bible says you must forgive a person 77 times.
The bible says you must turn the other cheek.
The bible says treat others like you want to be treated yourself.
the bible says take the piece of wood out of your own eye before judging others.
also the bible says the path of the righteous man is beset with all kinds of danger. he must walk the narrow path whilst others walk the broad lane. All I have ever done is respond to your trolls and show how corrupt you are. Since when is that abuse.
also its illegal to frivolously report players and abusive reporting of players will get you fraction points and bans so continue please 🙂