On the EPIC issue / L'EPIC problème
Day 1,671, 14:55
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by SamLeVil
[pol] The new perspective 2 (3) / La nouvelle perspective 2 (3)
Sunday, June 17th, 2012 / Dimanche 17 juin 2012
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On the Egalitarian Party of Independent Canadians (EPIC)...
EPIC was founded on the merger of two old, economically-oriented and fairly big Canadian political parties, the Canadian Social Democrats and the Canadian National Coalition. As far as I can remember, EPIC promotes the economical prosperity of Canadians with fair - rather low - tax levels (~ 10
😵, generous social programs - supporting those with ideas to promote the eCanadian community and assist younger Citizens, and some economical stimulation - 'planned' wars with little risks of counter-invasion (this last point is definitively debattable - it seems to me as a general feeling).
The EPIC issue
Many argue that the proeminency of EPIC member in Congress is actually slowing down any possible progress by preventing the adoption of ideas from other political orientation such as, in this case, military-inclined parties (MDP & Norsefire).
Who said it?
Simply look into June's political articles and their comments. The actual CP Rylde, the Rylde Roughnecks' members, Rolo Tahmasee and many members from MDP and Norsefire are among the ones criticizing the issue with Congress.
When did it start?
Probably since DAL disappeared from Canadian politics. Being the largest party of its time, DAL sufferred the same allegations. It was although recognized that the DAL had a significant number of drones (or multi-accounts Citizens): Citizen B, many times president of DAL, was charged in May 2012 with allegations of multi.
What is true?
- EPIC voted down recent governmental proposals
EPIC voted down most of Natural Enemy proposals, thinking they were elaborated too fast to properly assess the risks and consequences of such actions, especially in times when Canada rethinks its alliance system.
- EPIC does not support the current actions of the government
A large majority of EPIC members would love to see an eCanadian campaign in Europe. But most of them agree that it should be done in coordination with allies in EDEN & TERRA - something that does not emane from current proposals.
What is untrue?
- EPIC does not want war
Many members of EPIC would like to get a Patriot Medal.
- EPIC is made of drones
EPIC is made of proud Canadians, very different from each other. Like the AFK and a few other parties, its members do not share the same ideas, orientations or interests: some wish to develop a strong Canadian economy and others just want to see a great supernation. Drones are everywhere in every party: some are merely the product of multi-accounts while others follow blindly what they have been told to do by a few or their party. Yes, EPIC has people like this... just like the MDP and any other party.
- EPIC is going down and will disappear like the DAL
Anyone in EPIC would say the same thing: speculations. Even for members who do not use EPIC's forum very much, the party find great ways to share their ideas and get the discussion going.
Conclusion
Is the situation bad? Absolutely not, slow progress is a simple by-product of our democracy. We can be prou
😛our democratic system is healthy, thanks to the abundance of participation from everyone.
DON'T BE FOOLED: EPIC is very alive but its 'different' way of thinking - not imposing a single orientation to all its members - bothers many. It is also a good reminder that there isn't only war in eRepublik and that Canada can be very proud of its role in support the war efforts of its allies.
Btw, I was wondering: why can't we attack south of U.K. and then Poland in French territory? We keep our alliances safe, take some new resources, and push Poland back, supporting the U.S.' effort. Just a thought...
À propos du "Egalitarian Party of Independent Canadians" (EPIC)...
EPIC a été fondé de la fusion de deux anciens partis politiques canadiens, orientés vers l'économie et relativement grands, les Canadian Social Democrats et la Canadian National Coalition. Aussi loin que je peux me souvenir, EPIC promeut la prospérité économique des Canadiens avec des impôts justes mais plutôt bas (~ 10
😵, de généreux programmes sociaux - soutenant ceux qui ont des idées pour promouvoir la communauté canadienne et porter assistance aux jeunes citoyens, et des stimulations économiques - des guerres 'planifiées' avec peu de risque d'une contre-invasion (ce dernier point est débattable - cela me parait un sentiment général plus qu'un fait affirmé).
L'EPIC problème
Plusieurs arguent que la proéminence de membres d'EPIC au Congrès ralentit actuellement tout progrès possible en bloquant l'adoption d'idées provenant d'autres orientations politiques telle que, dans ce cas, les partis plutôt militaires (MDP & Norsefire).
Qui en parle ?
Il suffit de regarder dans les articles politiques du mois de Juin et leurs commentaires. L'actuel CP Rylde, les membres des Rylde Roughnecks, Rolo Tahmasee et beaucoup d'autres membres du MDP et du Norsefire font parties de ceux qui critiquent les problèmes causés au niveau du Congrès.
Quand est-ce que cela a commencé ?
Probablement depuis la disparition du DAL de la politique canadienne. Étant le plus gros parti de son époque (+ de 500 membres), le DAL a souffert des mêmes allégations. Pour le DAL, il a été cependant reconnu qu'il y avait en son sein un nombre significatif de drones (ou citoyens à comptes multiples): Citizen B, plusieurs fois président du DAL, a été banni pour 'multi' allégué en mai 2012.
Qu'est-ce qui est VRAI ?
- EPIC a voté NON aux récentes propositions du gouvernement
EPIC a voté NON aux proposition "Ennemi Naturel", pensant qu'elle avaient été élaborées bien trop rapidement pour évaluer les risques et conséquences de telles actions, surtout à un moment où le Canada est en train de repenser son système d'alliances.
- EPIC ne soutient pas les actions du gouvernement actuel
Une large majorité des membres d'EPIC aimerait beaucoup voir une campagne canadienne en Europe. Mais la majorité d'entre eux s'accordent pour dire que cela devrait se faire en coordination avec nos alliés de EDEN & TERRA - quelque chose qui n'émane absolument pas des propositions actuelles.
Qu'est-ce qui est FAUX ?
- EPIC ne veut pas la guerre
Beaucoup de membres d'EPIC veulent, eux aussi, une médaille patriote.
- EPIC est fait de drones
EPIC se compose de Canadiens fiers, très différents les uns des autres. Comme le AFK et plusieurs autres partis politiques, ses membres ne partagent pas les mêmes idées, orientations ou intérêts : plusieurs souhaitent développer une économie canadienne forte et d'autres aimeraient plutôt voir l'érection d'une supernation. Il y a des drones partout et dans tous les partis : certains sont simplement les produits de comptes 'multi' alors que d'autres suivent aveuglément ce que leur a demandé quelques personnes ou leur parti. Oui, EPIC contient des gens de cette nature... tout comme le MDP et tout autre formation politique.
- EPIC va disparaître comme le DAL
N'importe qui au sein d'EPIC dirait la même chose : ce ne sont que des spéculations. Même pour les membres qui n'utilisent pas beaucoup le forum d'EPIC, le parti trouve de bons moyens pour partager les idées et poursuivre la discussion.
Conclusion
La situation est-elle mauvaise ? Absolument PAS : des progrès plus lents sont un simple produit dérivé de notre démocratie. Nous avons de quoi être fiers : notre système démocratique se porte bien grâce à l'abondance de la participation de chacun.
NE VOUS LAISSEZ PAS BERNER : EPIC est bien en vie, mais sa façon de penser différemment - en n'imposant à personne une unique orientation - en intriguent beaucoup. C'est aussi une bonne manière de se rappeler qu'il n'y a pas que la guerre dans eRepublik et que le Canada peut aussi être très fier de son rôle de soutien auprès de ses alliés.
D'ailleurs, je me demandais : pourquoi ne peut-on pas attaquer le sud du Royaume-Uni, puis la Pologne en territoire français ? Nous garderions nos alliances, prendrions de nouvelles ressources et pousserions la Pologne dehors, supportant ainsi l'effort américain. Juste une idée...
Sources (images): HRSDC website (the Canadian Flag), Vancouver Sun (the Loonie), InANutshell website (parliament).
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The attacks as of late have nothing to do with a dislike of the party or anything that is based on fact. What it has to do with is the desire for political gain by the MDP and Norsefire (who specifically dislikes EPIC as EPIC is the only large party they have never been able to crack). These two parties are now in coalition with one another and wish to rule over Canada as the dictators they present themselves to be and a party that believes in Independence is something that stymies them.
EPIC!
Exceptionally powerful & Inactive Citizens.
Helping Canada 1 step at a time!
See, baseless slander. They assume that citizens who don't engage in slinging feces at one another are inactive while trolling means action.
EPIC has no economic, military or social plans so I'm not sure where the first bit comes from.
"EPIC does not support the current actions of the government"
That would suggest a party line.
With out a Party agenda or a set of goals that a whole party strives to reach, a party is no more then a group of independents. A congress that is filled with a large group of independents is worse at getting things done then a minority government in a parliamentary system.
Epic will fail. It's already showing signs of lower membership.
'Exceptionnally Powerful & Inactive Citizens' is full of oxymoron.
A variety of ideas other than war brought the eCanadian community together. Few stay in eCanada for the military side - there is near to none (bc of EDEN mostly). They stay for 'culture' we all share and because new ideas never stop coming.
Going berserk is neither original nor intelligent.
@Funky: lol every party's line is 'not supporting the others'. Democracy and the need for each party and its leaders to stand-out... By the way, I always had a great admiration for the CPF. Not long ago, we were still mourning the loss of TFD. I miss his articles.
EPIC est plus conservateur que le MDP ou le NFP, qui propose de faire table rase sur le passé eCanadien. Mettre fin à des vieilles amitié (Canada-Irlande, par exemple.), on même carrément changer d'alliance.
C'est risqué, mais certains y voient des bénéfices, comme un nouveau pays à NE autres que l'UK.
Bon article en passant. : D
You wrote
"What is true?
- EPIC voted down recent governmental proposals
EPIC voted down most of Natural Enemy proposals, thinking they were elaborated too fast to properly assess the risks and consequences of such actions, especially in times when Canada rethinks its alliance system"
I'm interested to hear how you determined the truth of this statement. A number of people have said we cannot prove who voted against the NE proposals since the game has a hidden ballot system.
Très bon article, la promotion et l'information bien qui filtre à propos de l'EPIC est toujours très apprécié. Merci du soutien que tu offres à notre parti.
There's no reason to attack UK now because of this: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Canada/109160
Attacking the UK would have worked a couple days ago though. Biggest problem would be any RWs that the UK wins would stop the potential resource bonuses we could get in Europe.
@Max & frank: merci ! Je débute en media et j'essaie de tirer les choses au clair.
@Plugson: you are right, we cannot know for sure, and just like everyone else i presuppose that epic voters were the ones voting it down. Other major parties were clearly in favor of NE proposals. The epic feed did strengthen this supposition. I'm not sure if we can ever get closer to the truth than this...
@cruelbear: thanks, I actually did not know regions with resources needed to be connected.
😁There's an awful lot you don't know. Perhaps get you facts together by writing another article.
The biggest problem with EPIC is that of the 200+ members, there are only 70-80 really active members, the rest just click the "Vote" button and don't get much involved.
The other issue I see is that in an effort to promote "younger" players EPIC doesn't seek out the active knowledgeable people to run for congress, just whomever signs up.... I left the party after being it's PP and realizing just how much activity you get there..... and after the congress gold comes in people are inactive..
Congress should be a place where active knowledgeable debate takes place...... it's not right now, and in some cases it's noobs never having asked questions to learn about congress just jumping in and being foolish....... start screening your peeps!!!!!!
EPIC has become the conveinient place to land in if you have political goals..... it's also become a political dumping ground for many uneducated, unqualified and unwanted politicians because anyone can make it in EPIC.....
Yes, and the other parties are showing their strengths in congress now aren't they with their political hackery and lack of any action. Congress is a joke and has been for some time because of ALL PARTIES and their constant bickering amongst each other and inability to work together. This piling onto EPIC is just another chapter in that and is proving just how bad many in this community are.that they are attempting to divide this nation even further than they already have.
The MDP working together with Norsefire has claimed on several occasions that it controls congress now, so why hasn't things been done? We still have a floundering economy, no actual worthwhile war to speak of so people can get their "precious" Golum like Patriot gold. Nothing has changed. Why, because aside from controlling taxes and distributing the wealth and declaring war, there is nothing to really do in congress. Parties dictating how they want their members to vote is nothing but....
...a recipe for stagnation. A party that allows it's members to have their own voice interjects debate and thought into the system.
The biggest reason most new congress members aren't active on the forums is probably because why would you bother? If you read most of the congress "debates" they are insults and slander directed at anyone who doesn't have a cult following already. I'm coming along to Plugsons views on this, the forum is poison now that the inmates are running it.
That is why I got out of congress, there was no reason to be involved. Why should I put my hard work into doing something just to have some idjit come along and insult me, my work, my facts and throw out random numbers in some game of political hackery. It's frankly not worth it and I have better things to do with my time. Any new congress member that reads the forums and operates there even a few days doubtless comes to the same conclusion and gets put off.
EPIC: Electing Pretty Idiotic Congressmen
Etemenanki- I do see your point and agree with you on many issues you've touched on, EPIC isn't the only culpret in this.
My biggest issue with EPIC is that by being independant, there are too many voices and the constant argument over who's right and who's not is bogging down the system. EPIC stands for independance, and without a voice of solidarity, that independance is causing issues.
EPIC used to be about everyone having a voice, but the party voted and unified that voice. No more...
I think EPIC's due for reform... Independence with a common goal is still independence..
EPIC being all over the place the way it is gets nothing done.
As well, like Etemenanki said, congress is like a Zoo... what with all the F**K you's and insults being thrown around, it's a wonder how any new congress member sticks around...
doesn't swearing in congress earn a player a ban?
Not anymore
If Rylde's doin' it, it has to be okay...
swearing is a vital part of any good conversation
"EPIC is made of proud Canadians, very different from each other."
This is what makes EPIC great (widespread appeal) and makes EPIC fail (cannot build consensus on policy so that they can advance the state of the country).
In the final analysis, EPIC is great at maintaining the status quo because they represent a large block of congress and they cannot agree on where to go from here, so by default, they stay put.
In the final analysis, EPIC is great at maintaining the status quo because they represent a large block of congress and they cannot agree on where to go from here, so by default, they stay put. x2
That the biggest problem of EPIC as a party.
AFK were mentioned. Awesome article.
Also, might I add....good job on sourcing all your images. You just made your teachers proud.