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Lol.

Awesome 😃

Ridiculous! I don't agree with Johan's opinion, but to ban him and his ideas from politics is ridiculous. Freedom of speech and from the constitution

[Article 6] All eDutch citizens will be treated equal in equal cases. Discrimination on base of belief, view of life, political thoughts, gender, race or other grounds is not permitted by law.

I totally agree with Niels!

If I don't make it to become a judge, I will guarantee take you to the court!
Maybe his plans are rediculous, but this action proves more stupidity than PVV or Johan himself.

If you conitue this, you will be in big problems...

legally you can't punish him, he just runs for pp
everyone who runs for pp has the right to have things he/she want to change, even if that is the name, orientation or picture
that's democracty
on the other hand johan has the right to get friend so he gets more votes, or take an inactive(or active) party and change that party to PVV

[Article 6] All eDutch citizens will be treated equal in equal cases. Discrimination on base of belief, view of life, political thoughts, gender, race or other grounds is not permitted by law.

Niels, that also means that MaartenW may do what he wants. He didn't say that Johan doesn't have the right to an opinion, so quoting that law is ridiculous.

On the other hand, Johan Voordenwind has broken that law you quoted more than once and never did I hear you quoting it in his articles. Hypocritical if you ask me.

I don't care about who become party president, because everybody has the right to make himself candidate for party presidency for his or her own reasons.

More than once? I stopped counting at 57..

Well i think erveryone else here is hyprcitical Dio. Everyone here is covering for Maarten because he has a right to change the party he's in, and i agree with this. But it's the reasons I'm concerned about.

The reasons:
I don't agree with the way Johan Voordenwind is working.
I want stop Johan Voordenwind insulting Belgians with his newspaper. (Johan Walloons aren't Frenchman -.-)
I think it's a good joke (see changes)

As you can see, it's not about MaartenW's own political believes, but only to shut Johan up.

Actually I'm currently helping him writing a programme.
He was thinking about just TO'ing PVV but he's wanting to make a serious party.

Allright then, what would you do if he try's to take over your party and succeeds.
Didn't thought about that did you?

The actions are legit indeed, but he openly announced the meaning of his action. The reason that drives him to this action is rule braking. IF he was smart and didn't announced it as being it a joke OR to drive Johan away, his action would be fully legit.

NOW, he is breaking the rule written in article 6 of our lawbook.
Johan did that aswell, but this is an inappropiate way to punish him. He should be taken to the court.
Now, in my opnion, both should be taken to court.

Hmm maybe his action isn't legit aswell, as i take in consideration that you can fight against PVV and Johan his idea's by making a NEW party insted of taking his party over.
So actually this action can seriously be considered as still law breaking.

Niels van Kruchten, there is a "litle" difference between not "Freedom of speech" and... fighting for what you believe in.

That's a very good thing than somes people don't accept what Johan Voordenwind say. And that's better they fight for that!

Freedom of speech? Yes, and Freedom to say : i'm not agree and i will fight for it!

(for the rest, it's internal issue of PVV)

thats true slivever, There's a diffenrence, with Freedom of Speech you let each other talk, and what you say is that the other one has to shut his mouth because you don't agree.

Love that

If someone whant take the PP cause he is not agree with him... that's Freedom. If someone say that we must thinking, all citizen of our great state, about some probleme of hate's rising, that's freedom. When a french-speaker make a joke like Johan Voordenwind say all the time... we see that dutch-speaker don't accept.

Agree with Sivlerer I wont won the Godwin but could bring it here

There are enough other 1 man partys that Johan can take over, so it is easy for him to make e new pvv.

bad idea from maartenw.

Put your energy in good plans and the dutch economy, that's worth it.

It's no longer an issue to me now that Johan has been banned, his ideas died with him, so good luck with your new party Maarten XD

I am very worried about that some people wanted to bring MaartenW to our court for breaking law 6 of our constitution. It is the right to take over a party if you want that. A party president who will loose his presidency can give his opinion everywhere. He can make his own newspaper, he can comment, he can post things on forums. So what is the problem with a legitime fight for removing someone, whose political ideas you disgust, from his seat of presidency. If I will not like Jazar being president of the United Netherlands because his speaches I do not like, it is my right to start a campaign to impeach him or to run for presidency trying to stop him. (Just for example I trust Jazar to become a very good president if not the best president we ever had, so please do not start a law suit against me because I just made an example using our new elected president to clarify things.)

If people think a judge is needed to prevent such actions, these people better not be judges. A political fight is legitimate if inside the law. MaartenW action is inside the law. You may have some problems on ethical grounds, but use these arguments to influence someone for not doing such actions by debating.
Not by law suits 🙁

Why is Niels the only one saying what maarten wants isnt correct?

It doesnt matter what Maarten wants, but the reasons why. I think its childish and incorrect to act like this.

And i believe, when this wasnt maarten, and this action wasnt aimed at pvv but at an other bigger party, people would have reacted nothing like this.

Like ArtemIvanov sai😛 "Put your energy in good plans and the dutch economy, thats worth it"

Indeed, I don't care if MaartenW is party president or not. But his reasons is what I oppose to.

But, now Johan is banned, this whole discussion is senceless.