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eSerbian ambassador to eGreece (How it all began)

Dia 1,889, 09:44 por Strahinjic Banovan

Hello to all Greek eRepublik players! :)
I address to you, once again, as an ambassador of eSerbia. I am very thankful to polemidakis who did the translation from English to Greek language (it is placed just below the original text). I believe he did the good job, however, if you are doubtful about any sentences, please read the original in English.

*****

Last time I introduced myself and wrote just few sentences about relations between (e)Greece and (e)Serbia. The article was very well recieved, it had much bigger echo than I assumed it would have. More than 400 votes gained for it (without visiting Voters Club) are the proof big enough for my ascertainment. It means that many citizens of our countries are very interested in making some relations between (e)Greece and (e)Serbia, knowing the fact that relations between us didn't much exist last few years, except fighting on the battlefield.

Before I write the main part of the text, I would like you to know few things as I want to prevent all the possible spin stories about my function.
My job is not to make our countries cooperating. I am not MoFA, I am ambassador. I am here to present (e)Serbia to Greek players and to make you more aware about what our people think about (e)Greece. Also, I will present what do you think about (e)Serbia to my compatriots.

Both countries are full of players who cannot understand how two very friendly countries in RL can be such a severe opponents in this game. Many of them hope we could become allies one day. My job is to bring you the facts so we could all see the whole picture and not just the part of it.



For now, I won't write much about our RL relations.

I am sure that the majority of our people is very familiar with the fact that two of our countries cherish strong friendly relations and that sometimes our people even call each other as brothers. I am pleased that, on both of sides, eRepublik players always notice how bad relations between our virtual countries will never change the good ones in the real life. I think that is something we should all be proud of.
So, my opinion is that there is no much point about talking of the good things in RL, as we play the game where the situation is much different.

*****

When I started to play this game, some 3 years ago, it was still V1 and the game was much different than now. I was eager to read and learn about the game and relations between the countries and I was unpleasantly surprised when I found out the next.
eSerbia was an ally of eTurkey, which was weird enough by itself, and eGreece was an ally of eCroatia in the opposition alliance. I thought, by the relations in RL, that it would be more natural if eGreece was with us instead of eTurkey.

To be honest, even today, I don't know the full truth how it happened. Serbian players told me that Greeks were guilty, Greeks told me the opposite. Just couple of Serbian players told me that it was really our fault but that can't be hold as a fact. I wouldn't like to write anything that does not fit the truth so you will understand me why I won't give much details about this start of our bad relations. It's really hard to get some credible statements about things that happened in that period.

However, what is the fact is that we were separated into different alliances by the players from both sides who, obviously, didn't take much on RL relations between our countries. As the time passed by, it became common thing that eGreece and eSerbia are rival countries and there were no players willing to change it due to the fact that the big majority (in both countries) was satisfied with how the things were going. It was the period when alliances were hard to be broken and the meaning of it was truly respected. So, none of the countries wanted to break existing friendships.

And just that existing friendships were one of the reasons why cooperation between eGreece and eSerbia in that time wasn't even imaginable. eGreece couldn't find eTurkey as a possible ally, same as eSerbia couldn't think about eCroatia in that way.

This was just the beginning, and we will see in the next articles that occasions changed during the time, but our countries still remained on the opposite sides.

*****

I will end for now. Once again, I call you to make an open discussion sticking to the theme. Please, try not to be offensive and I don't say this just to Greek players but to all. I am probably opening some hard themes but I am sure that we can all share different opinions in friendly way.

In the next article I will continue with describing how the relations between our countries were made, including how introducing (at that time) new countries to eRepublik had a hard impact on them.

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Γεια σε όλους τους Έλληνες παίκτες του eRepublik!
Απευθύνομαι σε εσάς, για άλλη μια φορά, ως πρεσβευτής της eSerbia.

Την τελευταία φορά συστήθηκα και έγραψα μερικές μόνο προτάσεις σχετικά με τις σχέσεις μεταξύ της e-Ελλάδα και της e-Σερβίας. Το άρθρο αποδέχθηκε πολύ καλά, είχε πολύ μεγαλύτερη απήχηση από ό,τι περίμενα. Περισσότερες από 400 ψήφους (χωρίς την χρήση του Voters Club) είναι είναι αρκετή απόδειξη για την διαπίστωσή μου. Αυτό σημαίνει ότι πολλοί πολίτες των χωρών μας ενδιαφέρονται ώστε να δημιουργηθούν κάποιες σχέσεις μεταξύ της e-Ελλάδας και της e-Σερβίας, γνωρίζοντας το γεγονός ότι οι σχέσεις μεταξύ μας δεν υπάρχουν τα τελευταία χρόνια, εκτός από την αντιπαράθεση στο πεδίο της μάχης.

Πριν γράψω το κύριο μέρος του κειμένου, θα ήθελα να ξέρετε μερικά πράγματα, καθώς θέλω να αποτρέψω όλες τις πιθανές παρεξηγήσεις σχετικά με τη λειτουργία μου.
Η δουλειά μου δεν είναι να γίνουν οι χώρες μας σύμμαχοι. Δεν είμαι ΥΠ.ΕΞ, είμαι πρεσβευτής. Είμαι εδώ για να παρουσιάσω την e-Σερβία στους Έλληνες παίκτες και για να αποκτήσετε επίγνωση για το τι σκέφτονται οι e-Σέρβοι την Ελλάδα. Επίσης, θα παρουσιάσω τις απόψεις σας στους συμπατριώτες μου στην Σερβία.

Και οι δύο χώρες είναι γεμάτες από παίκτες που δεν μπορούν να καταλάβουν πώς δύο πολύ φιλικές χώρες στην RL μπορεί να είναι αντιπάλοι σε αυτό το παιχνίδι. Πολλοί από αυτούς ελπίζουν ότι θα μπορούσαμε να γίνουμε σύμμαχοι σε μία ημέρα. Η δουλειά μου είναι να σας παρουσιάσω τα γεγονότα, έτσι ώστε να μπορέσουμε να δούμε όλοι τη συνολική εικόνα και όχι μόνο μέρος της.



Προς το παρόν, δεν θα γράψω πολλά για τις σχέσεις μας στην RL.

Είμαι βέβαιος ότι η πλειοψηφία του λαού μας είναι πολύ εξοικειωμένη με το γεγονός ότι οι δύο χώρες μας έχουμε ισχυρές φιλικές σχέσεις και μερικές φορές οι άνθρωποί μας αποκαλούν ο ένας τον άλλον σαν αδέλφια. Χαίρομαι που, και στις δύο πλευρές, οι παίχτες του eRepublik παρατηρούν πως οι κακές σχέσεις μεταξύ των εικονικών χωρών μας, δεν θα αλλάξει ποτέ τα καλά της πραγματικής ζωής. Νομίζω ότι αυτό είναι κάτι που πρέπει όλοι να είμαστε υπερήφανοι.
Οπότε, η γνώμη μου είναι ότι δεν υπάρχει κανένας λόγος να μιλάμε για πολλά από τα καλά πράγματα στην RL, καθώς παίζουμε το παιχνίδι, όπου η κατάσταση είναι πολύ διαφορετική.

*****

Όταν άρχισα να παίζω αυτό το παιχνίδι, περίπου 3 χρόνια πριν, ήταν ακόμα στην V1 και το παιχνίδι ήταν πολύ διαφορετικό από ότι τώρα. Ήμουν πρόθυμος να διαβάσω και να μάθω για το παιχνίδι και τις σχέσεις μεταξύ των χωρών και εξεπλάγην δυσάρεστα όταν έμαθα το παρακάτω.
eSerbia ήταν σύμμαχος της eTurkey, το οποίο ήταν αρκετά παράξενο από μόνο του, και η eGreece ήταν σύμμαχος της eCroatia στην αντίπαλη συμμαχία. Σκέφτηκα, από τις σχέσεις στην RL, ότι θα ήταν πιο φυσικό αν η eGreece ήταν μαζί μας, αντί για την eTurkey.

Για να είμαι ειλικρινής, ακόμα και σήμερα, δεν ξέρω την πλήρη αλήθεια για το πώς συνέβει. Σέρβοι παίκτες μου είπαν ότι οι Έλληνες ήταν υπεύθυνοι, οι Έλληνες μου είπαν το αντίθετο. Μόνο μερικοί παίκτες της Σερβίας μας είπαν ότι ήταν πραγματικά δικό μας λάθος, αλλά αυτό δεν μπορεί να θεωρηθεί ως γεγονός. Δεν θα ήθελα να γράψω κάτι που δεν ταιριάζει με την αλήθεια, έτσι θα με κατανοήσετε γιατί εγώ δεν θα μπω σε λεπτομέρειες σχετικά με αυτό το ξεκίνημα των κακών σχέσεών μας. Είναι πραγματικά δύσκολο να πάρει κανείς κάποια αξιόπιστα στοιχεία για πράγματα που συνέβησαν κατά την περίοδο εκείνη.

Ωστόσο, η πραγματικότητα είναι ότι εμείς χωριστήκαμε σε διαφορετικές συμμαχίες από παίκτες και από τις δύο πλευρές, που προφανώς, δεν τους ένοιαζε πολύ για τις RL σχέσεις μεταξύ των χωρών μας. Καθώς ο χρόνος περνούσε, έγινε κοινά αποδεκτό ότι η eGreece και η eSerbia είναι αντίπαλες χώρες, και δεν υπήρχαν παίκτες πρόθυμοι να το αλλάξουν καθώς το γεγονός είναι ότι η μεγάλη πλειοψηφία (και στις δύο χώρες) ήταν ικανοποιημένοι με το πώς τα πράγματα πήγαιναν. Ήταν η περίοδος κατά την οποία οι συμμαχίες ήταν δύσκολο να σπάσουν και η ιδέα μιας συμμαχίας ήταν πραγματικά σεβαστή. Έτσι, καμία από τις χώρες δεν ήθελαν να σπάσουν υπάρχουσες φιλίες.

Και ακριβς αυτές οι υπάρχουσες φιλίες που ήταν ένας από τους λόγους για τους οποίους η συνεργασία μεταξύ eGreece - eSerbia εκείνη την περίοδο ούτε καν το φανταζόταν κανείς. Η eGreece δεν θα μπορούσε να δεχτεί την eTurkey ως ένα δυνατό σύμμαχο, όπως η eSerbia δεν μπορούσε να δεχθεί την eCroatia.

Αυτό ήταν μόνο η αρχή, και θα δούμε στα επόμενα άρθρα ότι οι συνθήκες άλλαξαν κατά τη διάρκεια του χρόνου, αλλά οι χώρες μας εξακολουθούν να παραμένουν στις αντίθετες πλευρές.

*****

Θα κλείσω προς το παρόν. Για άλλη μια φορά, σας καλώ να κάνετε μια ανοικτή συζήτηση μένοντας στο θέμα. Παρακαλώ, προσπαθήστε να μην είστε προσβλητικοί και δεν το λέω αυτό στους Έλληνες παίκτες, αλλά σε όλους. Πιθανώς να αγγίζω ευαίσθητα θέματα, αλλά είμαι σίγουρος ότι μπορούμε να μοιραστούμε όλες τις διαφορετικές απόψεις με φιλικό τρόπο.

Στο επόμενο άρθρο θα συνεχίσω με την περιγραφή για το πως οι σχέσεις μεταξύ των χωρών μας διαμορφώθηκαν, συμπεριλαμβανομένου του πώς η εισαγωγή (εκείνη την εποχή) νέων χωρών στην eRepublik είχε έναν σκληρό αντίκτυπο σε αυτές.

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Comentários

ComiCzv
ComiCzv Dia 1,889, 09:49

Friendship above any game \o/

MarlboroGR
MarlboroGR Dia 1,889, 09:54

Friendship above any game \o/

Nik7deputa
Nik7deputa Dia 1,889, 09:55

voted!

Pedja16
Pedja16 Dia 1,889, 10:00

In a time of greatest hostilities between our two countries I was a citizen of Greece and people accepted me with open hearts and a large number of Greeks in my friend list proves that.I believe that you would get the same treatment if you would come to eSerbia so I only ask you to forget the past and look in the future...
We have long since passed the time when things were resolved by simply writing HAIL THIS or HAIL THAT...Reality is that I don't want to fight against Greece anymore...so lets see what can we do about that...

TsigaroPornilas
TsigaroPornilas Dia 1,889, 10:03

Friendship above any game \o/

Mr. DarkWish
Mr. DarkWish Dia 1,889, 10:05

voted!! Friendship above any game \o/

theconqueror86
theconqueror86 Dia 1,889, 10:06

voted!

Dellodas
Dellodas Dia 1,889, 10:07

Friendship above any game \o/

XENOFON knight of Bel Sten
XENOFON knight of Bel Sten Dia 1,889, 10:09

Friendship above any game \o/
this is proved by our new political party in e-serbia!
join us!!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/party/hellenic-serbian-party-4280/1
e-serbians and e-greeks together and forever!
MACEDONIA IS GREEK!
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

Petrelaias13
Petrelaias13 Dia 1,889, 10:15

Friendship above any game but in game there is no chance eSerbia and eGreece will be allies...

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 10:15

cisto mlacenje qurca

pablogarcia5
pablogarcia5 Dia 1,889, 10:16

Friendship above any game \o/ *1000000000

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 10:16

CROATIA AND GREEKS FRIENDS FOREVER!!!
SERBIA AND MACEDONIA FRIENDS FOREVER!!!

POINTLESS AND STUPID ARTICLE!!!

LEFKADIAN
LEFKADIAN Dia 1,889, 10:16

v

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 10:18

IN LATIN GREEK MEANS HYPOCRITE!
NA LATINSKOM GRK ZNACI PREVRTLJIVAC, VIDIM ZASTO JE TAKO U OVOJ IGRI!

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 10:19

CANCEL MPP WITH CROATIA AND THEN WE CAN TALK. MAYBE, HYPOCRITES!

Nik7deputa
Nik7deputa Dia 1,889, 10:23

why is this Americano talking? ^^^^^^ in 15 days you think you know a lot from the game..or are u a multi??? and i agree macedonian people and serbian are friends for ever, macedonian are greek, so i dont get your point...

gregory-ath
gregory-ath Dia 1,889, 10:25

You have choosen friends : Fyrom
We have, Turkish ppl

That's all.

lef-7
lef-7 Dia 1,889, 10:26

Friendship above any game \o/

R4ger
R4ger Dia 1,889, 10:27

Friendship above any game \o/

gregory-ath
gregory-ath Dia 1,889, 10:36

Macedonia is Greece!

ARISTOMAXOS
ARISTOMAXOS Dia 1,889, 10:41

propaganda bs as always from eserbians ....

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 11:37

@ Nik the Greek
This "Americano" is a Serb and this Serb knows a lot about this game and one thing is certain that in this game Greeks are not friends with Serbs.

Please don't bring your RL dispute with Republic of Macedonia in this game. I don't care about it.

HAIL REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA!
HAIL SERBIA!

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 11:38

GREEKS ARE BACKSTABBERS WHO CHOSE TO BE ALLIED WITH TURKEY INSTEAD OF SERBIA!

Thesmos
Thesmos Dia 1,889, 12:29

Zar ovo srbi poslje poljaka, sad lizu dupe i Grcima?

mitsotakis 1212
mitsotakis 1212 Dia 1,889, 12:52

urkos u are a multi man chill .....smoke weed and get lost....

bernoldi_salieri Dia 1,889, 14:02

Comentário apagado

Strahinjic Banovan
Strahinjic Banovan Dia 1,889, 14:13

Please, Greek friends, don't pay attention on Urkos. He's just a useless troll. Or a multiple account. Anyway, nobody important.

Dorus88
Dorus88 Dia 1,889, 14:52

orthodox brothers! \o

eQuBit
eQuBit Dia 1,889, 16:00

"I am pleased that bad relations between our virtual countries will never change the good ones in the real life. I think that is something we should all be proud of"

voted and supported

Fernando Colunga
Fernando Colunga Dia 1,889, 16:08

a gde je Pecat?

Arn.Magnusson
Arn.Magnusson Dia 1,889, 16:29

FYROM is Greece

ptolemaios123
ptolemaios123 Dia 1,889, 16:36

εβιβα

pola xekolla
pola xekolla Dia 1,889, 16:49

Friendship above any game \o/
this is proved by our new political party in e-serbia!
join us!!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/party/hellenic-serbian-party-4280/1
e-serbians and e-greeks together and forever!
MACEDONIA IS GREEK!
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

Ptolemeus
Ptolemeus Dia 1,889, 19:51

κατω τα ξερα σας απο την high iron της στερεας.

apostolislefkada
apostolislefkada Dia 1,889, 19:56

v

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 20:24

STRAHINJIC IS CALLED MUSTAFA IN SERBIA! ASK HIM WHY THEY CALL HIM THAT WAY AND WHY NOBODY LIKES HIM!

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 20:25

P.S. Feel free to report me Mustafa! You were the one who was banned because of multis once, didn't you!!

Nadrqan
Nadrqan Dia 1,889, 20:26

Ne obracajte paznju na Mustafu!
Majka ga nije volela pa mu treba paznje u ovoj igri!

8niske.Yper.Patridos
8niske.Yper.Patridos Dia 1,889, 20:35

v

loisma2
loisma2 Dia 1,889, 21:19

Friendship above any game \o/

Obelisk The Tormentor
Obelisk The Tormentor Dia 1,890, 23:13

Kakav si ti ambasador ?
Grcki u Srbiji ili Srpski u Grckoj
ili Srpski u Srbiji?

portoleone7
portoleone7 Dia 1,890, 00:08

v

nikola pg
nikola pg Dia 1,890, 00:15

mlatis praznu slamu

Makedonas 21
Makedonas 21 Dia 1,890, 00:26

V

GlobalHellmaster
GlobalHellmaster Dia 1,890, 03:18

ortodox brothers. Friendship above any game!

F@nis
F@nis Dia 1,890, 03:19

▒▓█ █ █ ΘΥΡΑ 7 - ДЕЛИЈЕ █ █ ИДЕМО ЗАЈЕДНО - ΓΙΑ ΠΑΝΤΑ ΜΑΖΙ █ █ █▓▒

Skyattacker
Skyattacker Dia 1,890, 03:27

Let's talk about back-stabbing. Greeks, which are loyal to friends, until the end, voted in favour of Serbia for Kosovo. Even in RL we didnt recognize Kosovo so far.

On the contrary, Serbia was maybe the 1st to declare acceptance of FYROM with its constitutional name regardless of our disregard.

In this game Serbia has been everytime the catalyst of wins of Fyrom against eGreece (donated accounts like scymex, endless tanking of pedjaT, NEing eGr while we were beating both eBG and eFYROM and so on..)

You need to read more e-history bro. Sorry to spoil this for you, i have no intention of going wild and stuff...Just mentioning facts

Strahinjic Banovan
Strahinjic Banovan Dia 1,890, 04:01

@Skyattacker

I don't need to read e-history, I made it in many times here. I just can't write about things that happened before my arrival which was after eGreece and eSerbia had become separated.
But I will remind you that eGreece was the first to put NE law against eSerbia. Before that we never made eGreece as our NE. Also, eGreece helped eCroatia to kill our e-babies at the period when eSerbia was just founded. We were fighting against you same as you were fighting against us, and everybody knows that. But, the same thing was between eSerbia and ePoland (and eSpain) and now we are good allies. The same thing was between eGreece and eTurkey, and now you are allies with them, no matter that you don't like them in RL.

So, nobody is innocent.

And I won't write now about RL things that you have mentioned because it will be a theme for a separate article.

Cool Blood
Cool Blood Dia 1,890, 04:17

I don't know our e-history, also I don't want the RL conditions to affect the game. Generally, I don't care for them, it would be silly to play a game based on those parameters.
So, the serious question according to my opinion is only that; Do you think that there are some reason or any change in the game that leads both of us on reconsidering our relations? That's a good topic.

 
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