Don't say too fast, it's a bully
mittekemuis
Last time I wrote about cyber bullying, it got a tremendous amount of support. It blew my mind on how much this subject was living amongst the erepublik community. Thank you for that!
The previous article, although containing a real testimony, wasn’t an analysis on the situation in the erepublik community itself. I will however start with making a valid argument to once again make a point on why this subject must be discussed. I could say something like:
Cyberbullying occurs in all online media.
Erepublik is an online game.
So Erepublik is subjected to cyberbullying.
We all know this argument is valid as it follows logic. You can’t logically contradict a valid argument like this but you can put a strong argument across it to counter this. Because it is my belief that a lot of feelings surrounding cyberbullying in regards of erepublik are to be found in the political scene of the game. I will try and make a strong argument to prove that and that is why I will talk about political argumentation. What you can expect to be a valid argumentation although maybe harsh and what you can condemn as an invalid or in many cases abusive argumentation.
Politics: a thin line between factual argumentation and personal attacks.
Why I want to talk about politics in regards of cyberbullying is because all too often there is a vague line between political debate and slander/abuse. The latter mostly being used by people who feel cornered and don’t seem to get their point of view pushed through on sheer facts and knowledge alone.
Politics is a real passion, one in which you are challenged to get your points and views across and try to influence others to follow you preferably with strong arguments.
Politics is also a power game. He who dominates the political landscape can do great things within his mandate.
Before I start talking about what are good and bad arguments I want to show you a sketch from Monty Python
I think this says it all so if you don’t like a long theoretical article you can skip the rest
🙂
What is a valid political argumentation?
An argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, "a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition."
A valid argumentation in erepublik politics would for example be about the current economics and its relation to the community and how it affects our play. Another example about a political argument would be about whether or not to go to war.
An argument has its base in what is presently the situation and which is deemed not good. So it is clear that an argument is never logic alone. It also has to do with feelings. Take for example the recent debate on going to war or not in the eUK. From a pure logical point of view we can say the following argument is logically valid.
In all wargames war is essential
erepublik is a wargame
so eUK going to war is essential.
But as I stated before politics is not only logic but also about perception and more variables.
- war brings more activity/helping the alliance
- war gives us TP medals/for older players not so much
- war is good for business in the UK/For most It costs more than what we get out of it
- which country do we choose?
All these are political subject yet I assume you can see they have also an emotional connotation.
What is an invalid political argumentation?
If you want a list of logical fallacies I suggest you go and read The Nizkor Project and list of logical fallacies
There are so many wrong ways to make an argument but I am obviously not going to discuss them all. I am just going to take those out who can overstep boundaries. The thin line between what is political and what is personal. Players will use many different kinds of means getting their point across, even so when in a bad manner. Although sometimes proven effective we should not condemn this kind of argumentation and I understand that the step from an invalid, provocative argumentation to bullying is easily made.
A method often used by politician is the "Appeal to force or fear". They will use threat or force to try and push others to accept a conclusion. The threat itself doesn't even have to come from the person itself.
For example:
" I know your forum profile ID, so have I told you I am a moderator?"
Then there is the "argument directed at the man"
There are two forms of this sort of argumentation.
1. The abusive form: If you refuse to accept a statement, and justify your refusal by criticizing the person who made the statement, then you are guilty of abusive argumentation.
example: "You claim that using country organisations for making profits for myself own and the countries benefit is wrongful, yet I seem to remember that two years back you were temp banned for stealing by multying."
2. A second form of argument directed at the man is to try and persuade someone to accept a statement you make, by referring to that person's particular circumstances.
Example: "Therefore it is perfectly acceptable for joining battles and fight for enemy countries, I see you are a happy one owning a mercenary medal!"
I can give you a different example
"But ofc you can argue that TUP players should have majority members in Government. You are a TUP elitist."
This last example is used very often and is called "poisoning the well"
It's not always invalid to refer to the circumstances of an individual who is making a claim. If someone is a known previous offender or liar, that fact will reduce their credibility as a reference. It won't, however, prove that their testimony is false in this case. It also won't alter the soundness of any logical arguments they may make.
Conclusion.
As we can see politicians often use arguments that are strong but not so much logical. They can be perceived as a threat on your person or even on a whole group.
This is not what I would call bullying although you are free to disagree on that. Often when in the line of fire emotions take over. However, it is very easy to cross over this very vague border. Very often it becomes a repeated attack on one person’s personality. That is when a political argument becomes bullying.
It becomes a real problem when it continues and proceeds in this player's real life.
I can only end this article with the advice, of not entering politics if you have a problem with the "Appeal to force or fear" and "argument directed at the man".
If someone goes beyond this border and you feel this player attacks your personal integrity you call on friends to help.
To really conclude this article I want to remind you to not give bullies ammunition.
Never give out any kind of personal information!
Yours truly,
Comments
"Cyberbullying occurs in online media.
Erepublik is an online game.
So Erepublik is subjected to cyberbullying.
We all know this argument is valid as it follows logic. You can’t logically contradict a valid argument like this "
Well as long as you don't write
"Cyberbullying occurs in ALL online media.
Erepublik is an online game.
So Erepublik is subjected to cyberbullying"
then the logic is flawed i think
it's like
"German people drink beer
Hans is a german
Hans drinks beer"
=> as it is not said that all germans drink beer you can't conclude that Hans drinks beer only because he is a german
inb4 grammar naz!
yes you are correct! I will correct my mistake
feels good... however you are right as bullying can happen in all social interactions and even if it is not face to face erepublik still is a social interaction.
TUP rules the world \o/
God save the Holy Empire \o/
Eat the weak
there's been a lot of trolling, bordering cyberbulling, for months in eUK,... mitte has been silent for months. One party was the target of the trolls.
Indeed. Your constant articles about me and TUP constitute borderline harassment!
That party's name is New Era.
Iain, I think I have never written an article about you.
Totally delusional, you wrote about nothing else
Iain, if you want me to write an article about you, just pay me 20,000 GBP, and I'll do a nice article in the spanish media.
Serbian TUP rules the world you mean ?
If I ever want an article that four people will read, I'll hit you up.
cierro po-deo bronce
helo mitte 😘
o/
I fear I would need another cup of tea, indeed.
Voted and supprorted with all rotofury!!! hi girl....😃
Great article, once again the truth makes me shiver
Good one... Voted...
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So an article ago, you said "Cyberbullying is bad, mmmmmkay!". And all the yay-sayers and your groupies then nodded. And now you're saying "Bullying is the logical consequence of the social interaction in this game", therefore indirectly saying it's "acceptable and inevitable". And now all the groupies and yaysayers will agree with you again.
BTW: the fact that bullying is inevitable in this game is something I've been saying for the past 7 years. There is nothing you can do about it. It's just human nature. And if you're being bullied here it's either because you're a douche or because you gave your opponents ammunition. Either way, in a game like this, YOU will always be responsible for how people react to you.
bullying someone is not okay and will never be okay. So YaY for all the people that agree with me.
You will not see me write it is okay. What I say is that politics s rough. Yes I would like to see some of the dirty tactics that politician pull go away too but to call it bullying is a step too far.
Funny I didnt hear you say nothing when New Era was having this treatment ???
But the whole point is that it's human nature. It's normal, evolutionary social interaction to take out your opponents. And those not using it are dumb and hypocrite. Because I bet that 90% of those yay-sayers are doing it themselves as well. Because it's so easy to point fingers at others.
It's how this world works. It's like trying to oppose wind or water. It's the everyday reality. Both in this game as in the real world out there. Bullying will always happen. Newsflash: the world is harsh and rough out there. And if you're not seeing it, then you either live in a protective cocoon (parents, community,...) or you're too f... dumb or blind to see it.
Besides Mitte, remember AVegan? He was bullied out of eBelgium as well. I don't remember you siding for him then. Why because at that time he was a threat to you and him being removed was an advantage. You, just like everyone else here in this game (and probably everyone else in the world) are just as guilty of bullying as the rest. There are only a few courageous enough to point the finger at themselves and say "jup, I'm doing it. Nothing evil or bad about that. Just plain human nature and a competitive spirit"
I never once participated in the events that followed his leaving eBelgium. Also, he was never a threat to me and we had an open line of communication even after he left.
I have never said I am a saint. I will sometimes also be tempted to comment on an obvious ridicules comments or situation. So what, I will not go taunt a player just because I don't like his way of thinking nor will I make fun of what I may know about someone's private life.
Commander Dapper, I could have used other examples I just used this one. This has nothing to do with my political believes in the eUK.
besides, this is DOUBLE- STANDARD
And I haven't met anyone in this game who's being/was bullied and didn't somehow provoked or deserved it. Especially in the case of Konrad.
The argument on which you base your reasoning is ancient and known. Christians called it "the original sin" back in time.
With the same reasoning it would mean that, if I kill you:
- I can claim it is your fault because you provoked/deserved it.
- I can claim it is not my fault that you were weak and gave me "ammunitions", because it is your responsibility to not be killed, as it is your responsibility live with a calm mind with the backthought that someone out there is looking for you to murder you.
So if I kill you, is it really your fault and not mine? 😛
Also I see you like Hobbes.
Voted! 😁
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'An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition'
No it isn't!
Horice (;
Treat others as you would have them treat you.
No more needs to be said.
A rather pointless article, even if it has good intentions.(or is such a comment bullying?)
hey nice one, support o/
I wonder how long this article would take to get 2000 votes like the previous one. Probably a bit longer, this only needed one article...