Bridging the Gap & Congress Proposal
Mr Woldy
Representation
Following my poll of general thoughts and Congress usage, one statistic stuck out to me the most. Non congressmen were given the option of answering whether or not they felt adequately represented, and of those who answered, 33 gave a negative or unsure response, whilst only 13 could confidently say yes. Others left the question blank. I don’t think it is unfair to say that Congress is generally out of touch with the public, and whereas some may say this is because they don’t do anything or because we elect lazy Congressmen, I think it is more apt to explore what Congress’ responsibilities are before we aim to solve the issue of people being under represented.
Presently, I would say that Congress represent their party’s community (I use the word community as ‘membership’ is too broad and ‘elites’ too narrow) and that Congress represents itself to other parties, as Congress elections are at present a display of power between the parties who fight over the impeach power, making Congress a second step in the CP elections. The CP race is won, the Congress race secures it.
I suspect this this Congress culture has come about because Congress and the public have the impression that MP’s have little to do. Congressmen have been elected regardless of activity and with very low expectations. We get what we vote for - public expects Congress will do nothing, people aren’t surprised when they don’t, prejudice grows stronger.
Michelangelo says it better than me, TMNT has lessons for us all.
Since the politics module was altered and Congress elections were changed to a proportional representation model, the mechanic that filtered out poor congressmen was moved out of the hands of the public, and into the hands of PP’s. Our complacent, number focused PP’s have paid little attention to the quality of Congressmen that they run in favour of cramming the ballots with bodies who may or may not vanish after the 26th and the public has been too disillusioned with Congress and too held down by their parties to notice.
Congress exist as the regulating body who represent the public in keeping President’s in check and ensuring stability as the months roll on. That is the what Congress should be doing, and that is what we in the eUK have all overlooked. It doesn’t have to be about legislation, or even participation in ministries, the role of Congress is to constantly scrutinise the Cabinet, make demands of the CP and ensure that high standards are maintained, preventing Governments from blindly charging into doing short sighted or partisan actions.
This isn’t happening right now, and a lot of that comes down to two things; firstly the complacent attitude of PP’s in selecting Congressmen and encouraging them to work; and secondly the lack of pressure from the public on those PP’s to do so.
The lack of pressure from the public is partly to do with low expectations when it comes to Congress but also because the competitive element between parties has moved away from the public and into Congress/CP seats. At some point over the past two years, for some mad reason, a gentlemen’s agreement was made between the parties in which they agreed not to campaign and message each others members. This always baffled me, why the heck not? What we see is Party elites treating members like property who don’t have the right to leave or change party. To be frank that’s pretty messed up. All parties should be free to message each others members pointing out the pro’s of their own party, and the cons of others. That will kick PP’s into making sure that actually, their party does have clear opinions and stances, and more importantly, that actually they do run active and decent politicians for office. If we can make representation the measure of how good a party is, then we will encourage a decent congress from the bottom up.
That is why I have asked speakers of the house to publish records of which Congressmen do nothing, which go to sleep each month and which ones are generally un-useful. Congressmen too should be accountable, and the accountability of Congressmen only works through transparency; if the public can see which Congressmen are underperforming and if the public are encouraged not to vote for the party whose PP doesn’t give a damn about who they are running (look at how many people didn’t even write presentations last election and tell me that PP’s are proactive in vetting candidates), the system has the chance to correct itself; and to get that ball moving we need to reintroduce the competition between parties on a public rather than an institutional level. Anyone can help do that, just start messaging people about how good your party is and catalyse a response from others.
Because we have a two prong problem (we don’t expect Congress to do anything, so it’s hard to vote for actives) we need a two-prong solution (Remind them of their responsibilities, and hold them to account based on their activity).
PRESCOTT POW
Congress Proposal
We need to remind ourselves what Congress does; they can set laws and regulations, sure. But their main job should be to dog the Cabinet, to hold them to account and to make demands of the President if they feel they are underperforming. Their job is not to be yes-men. I have asked the speaker and Congress to request a weekly report from the CP to give MP’s something to peruse and the opportunity to ask questions are request improvement in whatever areas they see fit. Facilitating and encouraging that mindset is as important to fixing Congress as pressuring the public not to support complacent PP’s is.
I am also using this article to make an informal proposal to Congress and the next CP which I hope should also encourage Congressmen to apply more scrutiny to the Cabinet and to be more engaged with what goes on at an executive level.
The proposal is a two pronged request; firstly for the speaker to allow Congressmen to volunteer to be a part of Focus Groups (Or Committees, whatever term sounds nicer) who can organise their own form of communication, and who will be be based in groups loosely formed around the Cabinet ministries (Domestics, Defense, Foreign Affairs, Finance etc). Secondly, for the CP to allow those groups to interview Ministers, and to keep track of what is going on in those ministries more candidly and with more access than what Congress usually gets. I'm talking of an intimate marriage of Congress focus group and ministry, so Congress can closely observe governmental goings on.
Those focus groups can then report back to Congress on the activity and policies/performance of the ministries, as well as offering feedback to the Ministries based on what Congress says.
Ideas similar to this have been done before with some success, as they not only encourage Congressmen to keep track of Government, but it also allows the speaker and the public to see which Congressmen are more active than others.
I have tried to keep this proposal as a very rough and informal framework, and I hope fellow Congressmen debate this proposal in this article, as I am sure one or two may want to write it up either as legislation or suggestive guidelines if the house sees fit to write them down in stone. Personally I think it is the kind of organisation that can be done without strict rules, though if people are concerned with partisanship or fairness or more formal checks and balances then I can understand why passing an approval motion on the idea may be requested by some.
TL
😉R: A good Congress is your first defense against a bad president. Only vote for parties that will give you Congressmen interested in representing you and ensuring the Cabinet operates to high standards. Game mechanics has put the power in Congress’s hands, they should use it. Party people shouldn’t feel like they shouldn’t message the sh!t out of everyone pointing out whose MP’s aren’t fulfilling that role.
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"The proposal is a two pronged request; firstly for the speaker to allow Congressmen to volunteer to be a part of Focus Groups (Or Committees, whatever term sounds nicer) who can organise their own form of communication, and who will be be based in groups loosely formed around the Cabinet ministries (Domestics, Defense, Foreign Affairs, Finance etc). Secondly, for the CP to allow those groups to interview Ministers, and to keep track of what is going on in those ministries more candidly and with more access than what Congress usually gets. I'm talking of an intimate marriage of Congress focus group and ministry, so Congress can closely observe governmental goings on."
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Perhaps some parties don't want an intimate marriage between congressional and executive branches?
Perhaps part of their congress listing process requires their congressmembers to swear off taking executive posts?
intimate marriage as in the focus groups/congress holding the executive to account, not being part of the executive. I agree that congressmen shouldn't be part of the executive
The point is that the Author is concocting opinions based on limited data rather then supplementing it with other sources.
>Fight over impeach power
>> I know at least one party who has a set policy on impeachment that applies equally regardless of who the CP is or whom he/she represents.
>Congressmen have been elected regardless of activity
>>I know one party who's first litmus test is activity followed by involvement.
>Their job is not to be yes-men.
>>In some cases it is or should be! i.e MPP renewal of SIRIUS MPPs should be a rubberstamp procedure based on the legitimacy of the referndum BA held.
>firstly for the speaker.......
>> There is no speaker that legislation lapsed through misuse or lack of acknowledgment in the first place.
You're p wrong Alfa;
'>> I know at least one party who has a set policy on impeachment that applies equally regardless of who the CP is or whom he/she represents.'
You've issed the point. They are fighting to impeach, they are fighting for the manpower to do so. The threat of impeachment is what is at stake.
'>>I know one party who's first litmus test is activity followed by involvement.'
This does not refute the fact that inactive Congressmen have been elected.
'>>In some cases it is or should be! i.e MPP renewal of SIRIUS MPPs should be a rubberstamp procedure based on the legitimacy of the referndum BA held.'
Very precise examples, I agree on Congress upholding referendums if they are done fairly. I disagree with you on their being yes men to MPP's.
'>> There is no speaker that legislation lapsed through misuse or lack of acknowledgment in the first place.'
Rob the Bruce is speaker.
aren't fighting to impeach*
>Impeachment
Not true for all parties.
If KJ wins, Wayne finishes 2nd and UKPP suddenly gets 80% of Congress then we can't impeach KJ cos we don't like him and prefer Wayne. We can onlt do so if he's inacitve, thieving or requests it.
>MPPs
They should be rubberstamping the SIRIUS MPPs unless they and their party disagree with the referendum we had on the issue.
I don't know any top 5 party that disagrees with SIRIUS or the nationally expressed will of the nation?
>Speaker
Show me the IG page where the speaker is shown.
The MoD only had an IG mention from a few months ago, are you saying there was no MoD until then?
Think you'll find the MoD listed here - http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/politics/United-Kingdom
No speaker tho!?
I know where to find it, that's why I said until a few months ago. Nice dodge though...
Remember when I unleashed Congress to actually have power and they made an MPP with Australia?
The elitist oldfags had a fit and resigned/closed it all down.
I reckon we have more than just old fags who are elitist these days, quite a few people seem openly in favour of a political climate in which detached cliques control everything.
Woldy you are the personification of the detached clique. Resign being King if you want to join us mortals.
For a minute there I thought we were on the same page. If you want to attack detached cliques for the sake of them being detached cliques then you are a different kind of elitist. If you want to prevent detached cliques from power hogging then you can be my buddy. I actively avoid holding power, I even turned down two cabinet offers this month alone, and have avoided with a violent vigour any PP or CP run, both of which I have been asked to do this month. So my question to you would be in what clique do you think I am in and what kind of crazy power do you think I exert over people?
It's kind of obvious how a king putting himself over has significant soft power. You talk a lot but you don't actually do so there's that for good and bad.
what do we mean by 'significant soft' power? I'm half anticipating that you're trying to say being king gives some kind of status which people recognise and pay more credence to. My response to that is to point out that the only mention of any King's in this article is in your comments...
Yes and this isn't the only article in the universe. You are one of the symbols of elitism so it's funny that you want to fight it is all.
You're an older player than me, so how come you arent an elitist? There's a whole range of criteria you use to brand people elitists, people who are often not even part of the problem. You need to stop seeking and destroying so called 'symbols of elitism', because their fantastical and meaningless. We have a political system which promotes elitism, yet you are preoccupied with rhetoric and being seen to be anti-elitism rather than being proactively anti-elitist on an institutional level.
To summarise, you are calling an anti-elitist an elitist based on your personal opinion, and want me to either shut up or give up based on that. You're like a mini-dapper. Be objectional and deal with the real problems rather than trying to create new ones...
" We have a political system which promotes elitism, yet you are preoccupied with rhetoric and being seen to be anti-elitism rather than being proactively anti-elitist on an institutional level. " Back at you.
I'm just pointing out that you'll not use your influence or do much at all to solve these problems you point out. I hope you succeed though.
"same thinking -> same results", the question is if you are capable of "new thinking". Till now, you have proven unable to be really fresh. The article is lenghty and well written, thou.
In my defense I am quite aware that old dogs like me may not be fresh, and have tried to distance my self from politics because of that. But when the other old dogs don't follow suite I can be encouraged to speak out critically, as I have tried to here.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/decoupling-ideas-and-persons-2421187/1/20
Focus groups huh, what are they good for...
http://youtu.be/p8A4yqN4_9A
Horice 😉
looooooooooool 🙂
I'd be happy to set up focus groups and stuff.
ford focus is probably a better choice than a focus group. wouldn't you say?
Congresses job may or may not be to hound the CP depending on the particular parties views but it has no leverage over the CP due to the congressional division and high Impeachment mark and in recent months worries over ATO/PTO.
We couldn't lever SHA out of office despite his disappearance because the next in-line was problematic.
We wouldn't be able to eject KJ (should he win) if he seem ineffectual as TUKRP will see this as an attack on their choice and thus their decision making process and vice-versa for WayneKerr.
The problem is that we put the CP on a pedestal and make him or her the focal point of our politics when in reality and under the current mechanics the CP has the least, actual grip on the levers of power.
He/She can suggest MPPs to congress, suggest NE's and Suggest changing the Welcoming message but he/she cannot pass them without congressional assent.
The only mechanic at their disposal is the timing and location of attacks if we are at war and ownership of all the national orgs (as admin sees it).
Looking at it pragmatically we should just elect our best and most active strategic mind and treat the position as CinC.
China do this very well
nice idea, I support this.
tl;dr
I like this. Also I think every congress member should inform everyone what they voted and why.
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Sorry Aultman, I posted my comment as a reply to yours initially. 'Twas merely a derp, the comment was nothing to do with your own words, which I agree with.
Or I called you an idiot...one or t'other 😉
>"adequately represented.............who answered, 33 gave a negative or unsure response, whilst only 13 could confidently say yes.
Breakdown by party?
Regarding PPs choosing their Congressmen wisely, I can say that this month I did just that.
I made sure that my list was ordered with only those that I saw to be active and who wanted to take part in discussions. I did this by asking them to write me a short PM outlining why they thought they should be in Congress.
If someone put themselves on the list and couldn't even be arsed to send me a PM, then it was clear to me they would be of no use in Congress and they were put at the bottom of the list. Unfortunately PPs don't have the power to remove people from the list completely, although that could be a good addition to the game.
If you missed my Congress article you can see it here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-ukrp-time-for-a-bit-of-congress-2418535/1/20
Does UKRP have any rules or guidelines for it congress representatives such as how it should approach impeachments or how they might want to vote on Tax levels?
Not under my leadership, no. As long as Congressmen are getting involved I'm a happy bunny.
I wouldn't like to stifle their creative juices with any hard and fast rules or even guidelines.
At TRS we choose our congress representatives by hat size, 5⅜ is our first choice.
Horice 😉
Here in the UKPP we've resurrected, and hopefully it'll continue, what our congressmen voted for or opposed, if there was one thing i'd add to it, it would be why they voted the way they did as it'd help explain to their party members why. Think I only missed giving a reason once for the way I voted in my term. I don't think that potential congressmen not putting anything out for people to read is a solid basis for saying that even though you're active in party because you've not put forward your credentials as a future congressman you're not what we want, personally being active and involved is far better than churning out dozens of articles saying we should or i'll do this or that, I point you towards the extreme example of Dapper, churned out articles(though quite biased, divisive and argumentative) on a fairly frequent basis but was quite inactive in congress unless it was to sledge somebody off