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Апгрейд тренек лучше тоже делать во время акции, они бывают регулярно.

Не знай что будет в будущем, но самообеспечение булками я оставил

Вывод: если вы всё-таки хотите производить крутые танки и булки, делайте апгрейды по акциям, но производство запускайте только после апгрейда q5. До этого ваши фирмы должны простаивать и ждать с моря погоды.

kronos777, спасибо, добавил.

oeofdoom, апгрейдить ведь можно сразу до нужной кушности. Поэтому вкладываться в убыточное производство смысла нет, лучше уж просто копить голд.

интересно, что классы прибыльности остались примерно теми же для еды, но значительно поменялись для танков. При расчетах полмесяца назад еще было рентабельно на ку7 оружейку набирать работников . Интересно, до каких цен упадут ку7 танки, если выкачка бумажек из экономики через МПП будет продолжаться.

lorne11
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Выкачка продолжится, но ведь деньги можно печатать. По какому там курсу возможна эмиссия? Не помню, 200СС за 1 голд вроде? Если так, то на этом уровне курс и стабилизируется. Учитывая текущий курс 340СС, получаем падение всех цен почти в 2 раза.

Нам нужна гиперинфляция!

DartSlon
200 бумажек за 1 голд, но сомневаюсь что -то что будут тратить особо голд на печать.
Падение цен идет из за перепроизводства и гонки леммингов за продажами. Мне кажется, что интересным будет этап, когда цена железа установится на 1 копейке

lorne11
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Если байбота не активизируют, то с уменьшением валютной массы курс голда упадет ниже 200сс и эмиссия станет выгодной.

А по поводу 1 копейки, думаю где-то весной введут ку8 производства. которые будут стоить овердохрена голда и требовать овердохрена желаза. Ку8 оружие не станет массоым, по крайней мере сразу, но будет пользоваться стабильным стросом у мастеркардов, а возможно и медальхантеров. За счет них и цены на сырье вырастут.

Также возможное введение ку5 тренировочных вызовет массовый диссолв шахт и соответственнно скачек цен на сырье.

Падение цен идет из за перепроизводства и гонки леммингов за продажами.
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У нас все всегда воюют с ку7? Не верю.

У нас все всегда воюют с ку7? Не верю.
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Сравнительно недавно начал я играть, но считанные разы бил ку6 пушками и руками, да и было это во времена тру патриота

"Ку8 оружие не станет массоым, по крайней мере сразу, но будет пользоваться стабильным стросом у мастеркардов, а возможно и медальхантеров. За счет них и цены на сырье вырастут."

Было уже с ку7 так, цены на сырье выросли, но сейчас снова упали. При этом после введения ку7 выиграли те, кто стали делать железо и его продавать, а не те, кто стал делать и продавать ку7. Сейчас перелом и цена на железо снова падает, падают и зарплаты. Скорее всего рудмины будут вводить ку8, но весь вопрос в том, сколько железа будет нужно для производства - если пропорционально больше чем для ку7, то весь цикл повторится, но уже за месяцев 5-6 и снова вернемся к кризису рунка труда/зарплат и низким ценам на оружие.

Если эмиссия станет "выгодной", не факт что она массово начнется. Голд-то откуда брать?

nimnul
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Пример:
Цена голда на валютном рынке: 100р. Берешь 100р, покупаешь на них 1 голд, печатаешь на него 200р, покупаешь 2 голда, печатаешь на них 400р, покупаешь 4 голда, ну и т.д. Да этим первый же школьник получивший большинство в конгрессе какого-нибудь Гондураса займется в промышленном масштабе. Курса 100р конечно не будет, будет 190-199, но принцип тот же.

Интересный момент: мастеркарды станут востребованы не только в бою, но и в экономике/политике государства. Что выгодно и рудминам, потому, думаю, они к этому и ведут.

ArchiJedi
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Мы вернемся к тому же, а рудмины получат свои зарплаты еще за пол года. А там, глядишь, и ку5 треньки пора будет вводить.

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1. with constantly falling gold-price it is not really a good idea to treasure up on gold because it is constantly losing its value

2. when we get q8-weapons and the stuff like with q7 is repeated (massive demand of raw, all lower qualities get killed because of high prices) we also will have more people buying new raw companies to make some profit with the high raw-price

and maybe many of the q7businessmen will be afraid of q8 killing their q7-companies like back then - and so they will upgrade their companies if they can - and so there will (maybe) be more than enough weapons (=overproduction) of q8 too even from beginning of the implementation.

so (with more raw-companies to get some profit) q8 will in the long run just make the overproduction worse and it will render all lower qualities useless because at some point you will need like 10 hits with a low quality weapon to make one kill and even if the price for q8 would be a bit higher you would save much investment of health to use high quality weapons.

3. i always use q7 because i can
i invested in my companies to be able to pay for high quality weapons and to train every day without depending on battlehero medal-gold ... and there is nothing other to do with the money...

4. when prices hit 0.01 on everything production won't stop
i produce more than enough food to feed myself (and a family of 5) every day so you can say the energy i use is for free

with that everything i produce with my surplus on energy (=except the food i need every day) is profit and i will keep producing even if the profit is just 0.01cc per unit

and i have very much food in my storage... so i won't have any problem with energy for about the next 200 days...

i heard admins also thought production will stop at prices of 0.01cc but it is money you produce from nothing - so why should anyone stop producing? even the products will be build as long as you make more money than with just raw*


*well and we see now with low quality weapons that many not really smart people will produce products even when they lose money doing it (=raws being more expensive than you get money for the product) ...

i mean rocketbuilder are using the weapons aren't they? and they also would pay good because rockets make quick and high damage and the rocketuser are mostly goldbuyers. so we have some demand for low-quality weapons. but the prices on market being so low means that MUCH more low quality weapons are build than weapons are needed. and because of the overproduction and low prices they are produced with loss! instead of producing with loss and selling 100q1 for altogether 17cc they could just produce 20 but for sell them for 1cc each... i don't really understand this low quality weapon production are they all just stupid?

studies from other countries suggest that this is in fact the case: and it is mostly newbies who do this - they are killing themself because the HAVE TO produce and then they HAVE TO get the stuff out of their storage no matter what. and many don't even care or listen if you tell them that it would be MUCH better if they would just produce nothing. it's so dumb

1. Yep, but it's better than buying unprofitable company )

2. All this is right for q6-q7 weapons too. But they are already on the market.

3. Tanking maybe? )

4. It is not only in price, but also in ratio of supply and demand, which can change much more when sellers can't lower the price.

статья то полезная, но вот печали все больше...

я перестал обращать внимание на апы на 3й акции кажись, т.е. уже очень давно... новичкам это вообще нужно с молоком давать!

сейчас самое прибыльное дело - это конечно же ап тренек.

введение же ку8 - это еще один гвоздь, а не таблетка. еда изначальна будет неприбыльна (сомневаюсь, что сейчас ктото покупает ку7, да и ку6 наверное.) а вот на ку8 танки спрос будет поначалу сильный. но это никак не спасение экономики...

все это мы уже проходили с ку7.

Hryushkin Aleksandr
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Кстати, да. Рудмины меня местами просто поражают своим нежеланием работать. Они уже почти пол года держат пищевиков на подсосе у байбота вместо того, чтобы стимулировать ее внутриигровое потребление. А ведь вариантов масса.

@DartSlon Day 1,884, 10:46

1. yeah to build companies now is not smart. because you don't know if it will bring profit in the future it is investing blindly... if you just hold the money you are able to invest in the next real opportunity (no matter what it may be - new kinds of companies, free trading on MM...) but with the money bound in a company you will have to pass if other opportunities arise if you have no more money and you can just hope that in the future your XY-company will make profit


2. yes. with q7 being new at first all weapons were produced with loss and then just q7 made some profit. at the moment you still make profit with q6 and 7 but q8 will probably kill at least q6 and maybe q7 too...

3. proud to be able to say that i never bought a single gold from admins
just MM-trading, product trading and working. so i just wasted my RL-time... which is much more valuable then RL-money... wait a sec... oh damn...

4. the sellers for low quality weapons are already below the profit line (with q1 1weapon is sold for 0.16cc but the 10raws to build the weapon alone cost 0.40cc, so the investment they have to make the weapon is ~3times the money they want you to pay for the weapon... you can't tell me anyone here is calculating profits)

so i wouldn't be surprised if one day q1 will cost 0.01cc even if one raw has the same price (or higher)
some weeks ago i bought a q1-weapon company and the previous owner had not just worked there as manager but he also had 1 employee...it seems many people don't care about demand, costs and profit

Спасибо; хорошая, годная статья.

Не раскрыта тема прибыльности шахт. Менеджер на к5 шахте делает 20 валюты в день в стране с полным бонусом, что тоже неплохо. При этом стоимость шахты - 35 голд, что не так много по сравнению со стоимостью прибыльных танковниц или хлебниц.

vote, хотя слово новичок пишется без буквы е.

Забавно, глянул рынок: за 2 дня цены сильно изменились, кое на что в полтора раза. Но общей картины это не меняет.

@Dat QFT guy Day 1,884, 12:44

with raw-companies you have the problem of the monetary market. building one with currency is clearly wrong but building one with gold is very expensive too.

if you build a q3 one you produce with full boni 250units per day that is 10cc
if you build a q5 company you produce with full boni 500units which is 20cc

with the monetary market at 338cc and FULL boni it takes
for q3 = 338days and
for q5 = 591days to just get the investment back


so if you invest now and then in 2month the admins mess with the game and the monetary market falls down to 1g=200cc you will sit there and wish that you never had bought the companies but changed the gold to currency instead.

well of course you can hope that you get lucky and the next change will be good for you but this is the same situation you have with product companies

for example i have 2 q5food companies. if i had deleted them back when 1g=2500cc i would have got 185gold and if i then changed it all to currency and would have got 462500cc. this would now equal ~1360gold. i didn't even think about doing that back then and i am crying me to sleep even today when i think about it. with just one change from admins everything can look different.

and now we just have not a good time for investments
good times to build companies are
a) when you can make REALLY MUCH profit with a product

or
b) when the companies are very very cheap
and with cheap i mean like q4-raw-company for 3gold worth of currency like back in the days of the bot


and we have neither a) nor b) so it is not a good time to invest in companies

Yeah, looks like the most proper investment for now is investment to strength and training facilities.

Changes are always unpredictable, true too.

Still i think, that the most solid currency here, in game is high tier tanks, gold and citizenship currency cost are constantly changed all the time, but number of currency is not what you need when you're at war. You need tanks and fighters.

Average player cannot build high quality companies, but if he produces raw - it will be easier to make tanks. And many military units, afaik, have exchange offers for their members, like you can receive tanks for raw instead of money. So building raw companies, from this point, is good investment.

Additionaly, looks like admins will bring q8 production into the game soon, so raw cost will be increased.

Tormozini, затупил, спасибо..

Dat QFT guy, ну там тоже не все так просто, а я не хотел излишне утяжелять статью. А по сути eisenmutter2 все правильно расписала.

@Dat QFT guy Day 1,884, 13:36

bringing q8 would be really cruel - because all the q7 owners didn't even have 1 chance to make some money with the companies. and how much would the q8-company cost? like 2000gold? wtf please... but yeah raw-prices will go up for sure if the admins don't mess up other stuff...

with the admins toying with the game every investment is a big risk... and most time you end up on the bad side of the deal - at least i am:

my q5food
not really good profit now, but they feed me and had some nice profit in the past so it's like like 5 or 6 of 10points = not very good but also not too bad investment

i have very many food-raw. so many that i produce enough raw for full employee use. i even dissolved like 15 because i was afraid the admins change the price of companies and then i don't get back 4250cc but less per company. that would be bad. like food this companies were not a good investment maybe a 3 of 10

my weapon-raw were very cheap but unfortunally i just have like 30 of them. but they have brought me very good money several times the investment i paid for them. clearly a 10/10

weapon-companies i just have for real estade trading last time i managed one was in V1 so that doesn't count... i am glad i invested in food instead of weapons because q7 would have killed my companies, and with q8 around the corner...



so the best investment is weapon-raw because everyone starts with food-companies so the need for food is low, with weapons you never know if your quality of weapons is needed but weapon-raw is needed for all weapons so it is needed as long as weapons are produced

всегда думал, что айзенмуттер - это мужик.))) несмотря на ник.

@ eisenmutter2

Even q7 company cost with special offers is 700 gold (200 euro) which is absurd.

I think you'replating the game long enough to know, that admins are doing surprising and idiotic things from the very beginning of the game and despite creating q8 companies is totally unlogical, still in terms of profit they gain from the game - it's acceptable.

And now, when economy in the game is "stabilized" it's the best moment for q8. Maybe now, maybe in a month. If players earn a lof of money - who will donate? They're not interested in you to receive big profit. That's why possibility of q8's appearence now is quite high.

@Hryushkin Aleksandr Day 1,884, 14:10
well there are no girls on the internet


@Dat QFT guy Day 1,884, 15:42
yes the admins want RLmoney. but since we got manager working they try to counter the effects of it
first the bot who bought the surplus

after we got more problems because of too much currency we got rockets who worked to lower the MM but were to weak to really do something about overproduction. airstrike was a big failure too (mostly because it is not used because of the very high costs - if it were cheap enough to be used on a weekly basis for example it could work wonders i think...). and with q7 they managed to get the surplus of weapon raw but they killed all the lower quality weapon companies with the resulting high raw prices and this also stimulated an even bigger production of weaponraw.+ they made q7 not profitable with the high raw demand...


so admins are two things
a) money-grubbing
and
b) they want to fix the game but they are too stup.. they fail nearly always or make it even worse than before. from rising on there was just one good change the admins made (but i forgot what it was...)

Maybe you mean dividing players into divisoins = )

@Dat QFT guy Day 1,884, 16:08
hmmm i think it was rockets but this is also just good as long as they don't bring too much goldbuyer-gold into the game


divisions may be good for div1 and 2
but for example there is one strong div1 guy in germany and he always gets the BH... so here the admins raise goldbuyer newbies - but when these guys get into div3 or at least in div4 they are not able to win anything and many quit... so admins are now milking the newbies for money and not (just) the old goldbuyer elite-fighters like Romper &Co.

+ multies have bigger influence in battles. so it is not really good.


yeah i'm sure it was health to energy with the max of 600+600energy at once... not a very impressive change though


but they still won't improve the employee page and it takes hours to fire 20employees or change their wages... like 4klicks per person? why don't just make it like working companies select all the employees i want to fire or change wage and the push a button it could be that easy...

Ha, I remember that pain. Scripts can definitely make your life easier.

There are a lot of things to be improved, not only employee page. That's why i stopped playing. But looks like "quit this fukken game" is not actually a good advice, heh?

@Dat QFT guy Day 1,884, 16:38

i am just waiting for the game to get so f... up that they take it offline. then i will go "HA!" with a smile full of satisfaction on my face... (and then i will have to look for other stuff to waste my RL time with). i invested quite some time so i want to at least see "the end".

+ the admins always surprise me. i mean i am a pessimist (i think) so i am prepared for bad things to happen but the admins always are able to make it way worse than i would ever be able to imagine. that's quite entertaining. and in my free time i harass people (mostly newbies) thats fun too.

eisenmutter2
+ the admins always surprise me. i mean i am a pessimist (i think) so i am prepared for bad things to happen but the admins always are able to make it way worse than i would ever be able to imagine.
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