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Thanks everyone...

Errrr...orcs like Seanan, Sweet and rest of the gang that regularly voting on ilp pp elections....they are not members of ilp.

You are just another pto pp...

When will fake leadership find courage and try having elections without pto votes?

Surely your fear of Kurgan is a little bit unreal.

I get like 2,3 votes and even that scare you enough

Tnx for your contribution

Aside everything...this reply made me shut up coz i laugh too much.

The way you gently poured water over my fire comment....brilliant.

You won this round....but it's not over yet (insert victorious evil laugh)

Viktor, just accept the defeat... you'll take your luck the next time

Here's hoping for a resurgent Ireland and ILP.

Congrats in advance, Winston.

my vote

Voted

titles says reboot the system article says lets continue with our old plonker.

with no opposition there can be no real unity in eIreland.

Indeed, to a point

I'm a great believer in political debate and look forward to debating with the Ezekiel 25_17 party

say what one more time!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/party/ezekiel-25-17-4051/1

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First topic for debate...

Same Sex Marriage

In Ireland next year we will have a referendum to legalise Same Sex Marriage.
The polls are showing a large majority, 76%, in favour
http://www.thejournal.ie/opinion-poll-same-sex-marriage-1164428-Nov2013/

I'd be interested in hearing ILP comrades opinions

From my view, marriage itself has historically been the issue. The original argument here in the states, or the argument that developed over time, was that by definition, marriage is a religious ceremony between a man and woman.

However, here in the states, we have a so called "separation of church and state" which means that no couple participating in a marriage should receive dependency tax benefits, ect. (which are some of the things gay people argue for in wanting marriage) But that's not how it works, despite our "separation of church and state"

So essentially I think marriage should become a personal joining with no government affiliation, with a new form of documentation eligible for all couples, regardless of gender, to act in ways that marriage documentation once did. With the money and influence the church has though, I've no doubt marriage will remain huge in times to come, and become legal everywhere for straights and gays. The church would rather change it's backwards ways than be defeated by sound reason.

In short: If gays want to torment themselves like straight people who get married, let them. xD

I'm okay with gay marriage. I Don't know much more to say about the matter. I just don't see how it would bother me in any way.

marriage is a bourgeois hangover

I've no problem with the concept, though, because of my age, it seems a bit odd, but no more odd than marriage between two heterosexuals, I suppose. I'm slightly surprised that there's such a huge majority in favour in Ireland. The Pope won't be happy.

You were meant to reply like this 😛

Was I? Why?

so each topic stays in its own nest 😛

Anyway to me it'sa an equality issue. I don't really care if a religion has issues let them make any silly little rules they want. The state must, however, stay neutral and treat all their citizens equally as far as possible.

I believe the current pope is quite open to the debate about gay marriage. It's almost like they found a new target for their missionaries 😛

lol! Just saw a news article that the pope took a u-turn on his view on the whole thing. Never mind.

To be fair to the pope...it was the synod that backtracked. I believe he is open to change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8JgSuaFh5M

If interviews are BORING to you, then don't bother. xD

And yeah, it's RT, who I know is a bit biased and tries to steer interviews down certain directions, but regardless, this video has recently made me a Joe Rogan fan. The guy is way more open minded than I'd ever imagined he'd be.

true but from that interview he is also a little bit TOO open minded

Is there such a thing? xD

Absolutely

So where do you disagree with his open-mindedness? Which parts did you feel he shouldn't be so open minded towards?

when he say that when on a trip that that may be reality. He didn't say it wasn't but said the experience is the same either way thereby bee open minded on the subjected.

In mho it is just the chemistry in your brain is contaminated and giving false signals...it is NOT reality

yes I think he was talking mostly about DMT. I once had barely enough to do anything, but i've heard it can be too intense, especially visually, and is found everywhere. It's a chemical in all living things. They know why some plants and mammals produce/use it, but it's in the human brain and nobody knows what for. It's crystallized and smoked for an lsd effect.

I think what he is saying is that chemically, it makes experiencing life differently when using it.

But regarding dmt, i don't know enough about it to rule anything out really. But I do see your point. I've met people who would argue silly things. Like if I told you that hell could be underground. "No, that'd be the earth's core", "Have you ever been there and seen it for yourself?" No. But Scienti..."Scientists say but they've never been, therefore it COULD be". lol Like something could be fact if you can't prove it false, fact over logic/reason.

I can see him leaning a bit on that "Too openminded" side. "If you experience it on a trip, who can prove its not real?"

Though I can say from my trips, your body feels different. Your mind thinks differently. You experience everything differently. And it's definitely a unique experience for everyone. Of course, that doesn't mean the wolves were real. But I was more frightened than I'd ever been in my life. lol

I know someone who had brain surgery and they also experienced hallucinations for weeks afterwards. They thought it was real at the time and that is because the only way they could know otherwise is because their brain can make tell them so. But, and this is my point, their brain was compromised so to them those experience were as real as you typing on the keyboard to them. There was no other frame of reference available.

" But Scienti..."Scientists say but they've never been, therefore it COULD be". lol Like something could be fact if you can't prove it false, fact over logic/reason."

Yes a logical fallacy...absence of proof is not proof

I only experienced small hallucinations and even those were quite scary to me. I never had any hardcore hallucinations but i tend to side with WHS ( the part about your brain being contaminated). I do think that Rogan might have a point about the possible role that psychedelics may have had in certain religious stories.