[FightAndProduce In Congress] Opposing the Blacklist Bill
FightAndProduce
I like a bit of metagame in eRepublik, it enriches the experience for me. Royal titles? I love them (I wonder why) But there is one part of the metagame we have at the moment which tries not to be useless but just is, and that is when I oppose it. I was recently elected to congress (Thanks ESO/TUP) and the congress message has been up for a few hours now (At least for those of us on Addaway's friend list) one of the first things posted in the message (Apart from saying hi to each other and faffing about) was this.
Blacklisting people is pretty much useless due to several things. The first being that if relies entirely upon the people of the eUK to fulfil it. If the people of the eUK do not wish to fulfil it, blacklisting a person will do nothing. No matter how many times the eUK congress wish to do it. Basically, if I managed to get a blacklist proposal through on a popular [insert party here] member, as long as that party stuck by that person they could still get into congress, still be a CP candidate and still be a PP.
As well as this, even if everyone did suddenly goes with this person being blacklisted. They're still in the country, a blacklist is only actually objectively good at keeping people if they are outside the country, and boy if someone who is really disliked enough to be on a blacklist leaves the country and expects to come back when there's a dictator in control? Boy are they stupid. The bill says that when blacklisted a citizen can no longer be a citizen, a congress member or a member of the government. ('Players on the UK Blacklist are not allowed to be a part of the UK government, are not allowed to be in the UK congress, and are not allowed to be UK citizens.') None of these things can be upheld except for eUK citizenship, but as mentioned above you can only do that once they've left the country.
Before I get to my conclusion. People who are dangerous to the eUK are known already, we don't need a blacklist to tell us who we shouldn't affiliate with. This just insults our intelligence. New people can see pretty quickly once they get involved why these people aren't held in high regard, and if they don't? Chances are they aren't going to some gdoc to check out the list. Dapper in particular doesn't need to be on a blacklist, if there was some actual purpose and actions which could be effectively taken I would be fine with it. But there isn't.
The blacklist bill needs to be either reformed (which I don't believe will make much of a difference) or you relegate this bill to the bin of rubbish eUK bills (which I'm sure there are a load of)
In the end, this is a matter which needs more than just my viewpoint. During the writing of this article the matter has popped up in the congress message. So it may already be in motion. But do you agree with my points? Or do you take issue with them? Let me know, it may help your representatives find out their parties view on the matter. If you liked the article please vote for it and maybe subscribe, and as always.
-FightAndProduce (Congress Member for ESO)
EDIT - Since the publishing of this article another article has come out on this issue by Hail Astrid. It may interest you so check it out.
Comments
Scrap the Blacklist!
I believe (and hope) that any blacklist legislation would be merely a formality, which is why I originally voted for the proposal despite it being ill-conceived (there were better proposals out there which were not put forward as legislation). People who are dangerous to the integrity of the country may be known as a whole, but new players may question why (or even who), and not all new players are confident enough to ask outright, or knowledgeable enough to find out for themselves.
Yes, I am pro-blacklisting. No, not in its current form.
I think people can pick it up, such as reading their stuff. I don't mean going through their history. Just by seeing their comments and how they reply to people. I think we insult their intelligence by not allowing them to come to their own decision and instead try to tell them that we know better.
I do admire the intention, if the blacklist could be reformed I'd be all for it.
Without a doubt, the current legislation is flawed. I recall another proposal (from Gali, I believe - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) which was far more up to the job.
I have no idea, only really know of the current blacklist bill due to it being published publicly.
I feel like a blacklist could be helpful just so undesirable characters have less grounds to cry about how they're being oppresssed if their party gets blocked/ATO'd/excluded from PMs. cause it's gone through a semi-official channel the only person that's gonna defend them is, well, them. Whereas you might get cases where some dumbasses are like "nah this is unjust and rude" just cuz it ain't a very official thingamabob.
I have no idea if that paragraph's made sense but you get the idea. The blacklist bill we have does need completely altered though, it's crap.
I think they can cry either way, they can find a way to spin it. Whether its saying they are being 'oppressed' for no reason or that 'the man' is trying to keep them down by blacklisting them.
But I'm glad to see we can at least try to push for change. At least then we can see if it makes a difference. If not we can think about removing.
it. :3.
I supported the bill so that we established in principle and practice a method of both blacklisting people and legitimizing ATO operations.
It was unbeknownst to me that BigAnt had been stealing money before his last effort, so he should have already been blacklisted. Had this been the case the machinery of government and all parties would have been compelled to both prevent the PTO of TUP and his success in becoming CP to steal all our money.
That intention makes perfect sense, but the bill doesn't really go that far and even if it did you can still have problems if the eUK community do not wish to back it.
I just saw gali's version of the blacklist bill. It seems to fit your intentions much better than the current one. Although I still think its hard to enforce.
that's true and I think on one of the versions there is a 'clean slate' clause - so that it gives an opportunity to move on from where we are now. Though it is important to visit previous incidents to use as guidance for establishing the right way of doing things in the future.
I'm still bewildered that dougals bill actually passed.
With a better one written up as well ready and waiting as well. I don't believe it myself.
Congress will Congress.
"People who are dangerous to the eUK are known already, we don't need a blacklist to tell us who we shouldn't affiliate with. This just insults our intelligence."
Well, call me stupid, but I don't know...only person I was told the most about is BigAnt (apparently he stole money from the treasury) and about others I know nothing (just when I randomly read somewhere in comments people calling someone a bad person, thief, cheater, etc, but I don't know why)
All in all, some kind of an informative list would be good.
I can agree with you here.
as long as it has Dapper on it
Although the government can't control who gets into Congress via game mechanics, in a Constitutional Dictatorship, the votes in Congress of any blacklisted players could simply be disregarded couldn't they? Perhaps the law should be updated to include that.
Blackdeath is a multi old fag why he calling me Dapper?? just like Jake Lee blackway
People call you Dapper because you change your name in an attempt to run away from your past.
Black death is a old fag another cheat like you
How have I cheated? Apart from all my multi accounts which I totally have.
Why am I a multi?
I had an old account, it was deleted by my request. now I play with this one.
And you are a scumbag, liar, hypocrite and many more things, it does not meter how you call yourself these days.
oh nasty words you seem very angry very very angry get a life pal
Nolifer telling me to get a life.
Good one
Comment deleted
Congratulations on being the only member of congress with any semblance of a brain
What about all those that voted against the Blacklist Act last term?
Ok those too, pity there aren't that many of them
Indeed. Myself, Sambo, Madelina and WookieO voted against - was a 20 man congress so just shy of 25% of congress.
9 Congressmen voted for it: Mad Pauly, Aaron Mark Danies, THE EMPRAH, dougal4Chaos, Bernie Lomax, Amokkel, PerilousPanther, NigelFarage, Paul Tyndale.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UYq2s2_EBjJl5im5zAtQfhnCllTzuTtmjByc8ZT3tlE/edit#gid=1378993451
Forget the blacklist.
Do you think there shoud be a list with people who did something damaging to the UK so people would get informed?
Do you think that it does not matter what Dapper did in the past and that not being important how he is handled in the future?
Are you Goku/?
So we will play it like this?
But no I am not
Yes.
No, it certainly does matter and is important to how we is handled in the future.
*he
you are nothing but a rage quiter, oh mummy ukrp didnt help me win the UKPP elections, so i quit and become JLB and try to pto BDP
hahahahah
What? I won PP of UKPP without UKRP support. That's not why I left.
I basically won and kicked King Willy to the curb, before anyone had come out and said he was ajay. I'm pretty happy with that.
haha your profile statement didnt have that messgae did it, rage quitter
You can't even get the reason why I left right.
I left because I believed that UKRP had manipulated the dictatorship bill so that they would be successful, and that you were supporting Appleby to try and gain some legitimacy so people wouldn't think you were up to the same old shtick. I felt that it was risky to have Appleby as dictator due to Adastros record.
I was wrong on this issue, though you were up to the same old shtick. I have admitted this, while you still haven't apologised for your actions - importing Serbians into the eUK.
We can all make mistakes, the difference between you and I is that I can see them and can try to atone for them.
So what are your thoughts on the Blacklist bill? I would have thought you were against it, but how about you try and contribute to the discussion?
my thoughts are only people with black in their name should be on the list
you should add black to your next namechange
The kids are back in town
black death stop hiding behind new accounts
Stop hiding behind new names :3
is it legal to change your name? many people have changed their names dont cry or let it upset up enough to make a comment
You can't baw about people being behind new accounts if you're going to change your name so people don't know who you are.
When is your next namechange?
You are good. I did not even know who are you until I was told Prince Harry is actually Dapper
Infamous !
anyone else got that feeling dapper is typing back and forth too himself here?
serious its most likely you