Join the new world

LOL Flag

Sounds like a fun idea and i hope other countries can follow in the footsteps of such a merger!

It's a really smart idea with great mutual benefits to both parties that will fail spectacularly.

Hail Eire!

Ultravote!

wow that girl is ugly, ohhh well Ireland could do worse...(not by much haha)

No thanks...

canada will be forever a trusted friend of ireland. sad we are bot in same alliance for now.

BUT the merge of CANIRE was refused last month with 100% of the votes.

You guys held a Congress vote on this or a referendum?

Where is Sweet Drinker, he always opposes this.
DMV you suggest things that have been talked about and turned down before. Who will take over, Canada, so the old lads in Eire wont go for it, and why should they, there politics,treasury, and nation is in a better state then ours.

Initially I wouldn't say anyone would take over. You start by combining Congresses at the meta level and coming up with a set of laws, programs, etc that we all agree on equally. You build from commonalities you don't just simply say hey join Canada. The game is noting communities are dying off and this is a way to make it more exciting. Everyone jumps to who joins which nation, but there are many gradual steps that would make a merger more beneficial long-term.

There was a reason I brought up the benefits and not implementation ideas, I meant this to be a philosophical discussion on the topic. I understand that we have fake nationalism in this online world, I just think it's an idea that could drastically change the game for both our communities.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2145374/1/20
Der ya go RICKY, years out of date, but it's gotta be the article you're referring to

This was discussed quite some time back, and quite some time further as well.

There are obvious benefits, but unfortunately the Irish people as a whole, at least then, were not interested enough.

They see us most often as a brother in the same family, not a second lung in the same body.

no caps, gtfo DMNoob :'(

too hot
too be truue

I just don't see a good way of doing this.

Ireland needs to:
> Move their citizens that have production.
> Move their MU's and citizens therein.
> Allow Canada to control the bonus regions.
> Allow Canada to direct their shell of government.

Canada needs to:
> Provide an Irish top 5 party.
> Rework CRoO and Constitution to allow Irish state as part of Canada.
> Adopt any special considerations such as:
- Irish funding of MU's.
- Irish social programs like feeding n00bs.
- Other Irish concerns.

While it is quite possible that Ireland and Canada trust, respect and care for each other enough to pull this off I am concerned that the logistics would just be too much. Game mechanics would dictate that their would have to be a shell government in the virtual country of Ireland and that government would have to be directly controlled by Canadian government. Assuming that all manufacturing production was done by 'Canadian citizens' the money would not be so much of a problem as long as we agree on what to spend it on.

To my Irish friends I would say that the only reason why I portray a merger as you giving up your country is simple fact that Canada is the larger country with more 'stuff' going on, more citizens, more MU's, etc. It could, of course, be considered the other way around but would be more involved.

You're jumping to the in-game stuff too quickly, you start with the Meta game first draft a brand new constitution, combine both in-game elected Congresses first. Two CPs with a shared cabinet. You build a single community first and then move towards a single in-game nation over time. Everyone jumps too quickly to an in-game merger. If done properly you're not going to have an in-game merger for 3-6 months.

Your two main topics are "Damage" and "Economic Bonuses and Tax Revenue" and rightly so. Other than camaraderie, which we already have, those are the two areas that could be worked to any great advantage.

Damage could be addressed by MPP and common alliance. So there is no need to merge or move MU's. Economic Bonuses are a simple matter too. Canada can rent the regions they lack from Ireland, and/or Ireland can rent the regions they lack from Canada.

Tax Revenue is the snag. Are you suggesting that Canada give all or part of their revenue to Ireland? Perhaps Ireland could give their tax revenue to Canada? Unless you blend the two countries there would never be a good case for either of these to happen.

As an experiment, let's try what you propose. Next Congress let's have one Congress forum. (Oh, which one should we use?) Now let's have one Speaker. (Oh, do they have a Speaker or use another system?) Then let's propose laws and constitutional changes to bring the govt's into one unified entity. (Now explain again how if one Congress approves and the other Congress disapproves the tax rate that the tax revenue will be the same rate.) I would give it a week before both congresses are back on their own forums. Hopefully without any damage to our relations.

As others have mentioned, this has been brought up before and we ultimately decided that it wasn't something worth pursuing. I see nothing that has changed that would make the union any more or less feasible from the last time this was attempted.

Maybe the game getting worse and the communities losing many more people?

Right, but I'm talking about the practicalities of a merger, not the meta. The last time, it was the practical difficulties that got in the way of things i.e. how to deal with citizenship, political parties, what to do with the "official" Ireland and most importantly the cost of putting down what will surely be constant RW battles.

I love this Idea, It would be interesting to say the least

CanIre has been seriously suggested at least twice since I've been active and, on the face of it, it's a very attractive idea. We're best buds, constantly fight for one another and the appeal of something stronger is obvious. However, on both occasions, the idea has been turned down, not because we don't like Canada, which is patently wrong, but because it basically entails a takeover of Ireland (unless Canada would be willing for us to take Canadian territories).

The constant RWs has been mentioned, but the only way this could possibly work is with a massive majority in a referendum and I don't see the chances of an 80%+ vote in favour happening.

I remember the last time it was seriously considered, and did progress a bit, but it got bogged down in details and ultimately died. It's a shame that the game didn't allow for easier mergers without such loss of identity. Something along the lines of higher tier alliances.

Only if we could make a new State with a new flag.....

The issue in a nutshell isn't merging, the issue people clinging to their dying "nation." You can easily create a system that is fair and equitable and allows for issues with game mechanics. As populations begin to dwindle more us small nations are going to find it harder and harder to defend ourselves and compete against the larger nations with ubertanks. I personally would have no issue with it happening the other way around even though I believe the smaller nation joining the larger makes more logistical sense. These arguments make me want to tinker with a merged Constitution just to show people that it can be done.

Work something out and put it to the vote. I have no issue with stronger links with Canada, I just foresee vocal objections from people, more so eIrish for obvious reasons.

Only if Ireland is big spoon.

eCan looks like a slutty slut >:I

Lovin' the pink. You guys should come and try to get Biebs again (:

Scew ecanada

Lol, this again! I was in the Irish gov when Jacobi proposed this a couple years back, and it didn't go down too well in eIreland. Tbh, I dunno why eCanada would wanna hook up with eIreland anyway at this point. Yeah I know there is some economic benefit but apart from a couple tanks who play as eIrish, its mainly full of thieves and freeloading sponges. Its not the eIreland that once was that at least had a few Irishmen that could hold their own 🙁

boas o7

Hail Eire!
Hail Canada!

Hail Don Croata! o/

Until there is a game mechanic which could actually support this model, I cant support the idea.

But its a topic worth discussing!

all this too get more krak in eCanada. Actually unless you formed a new country only 1 country would get more bonuses the other less. weps for instance we have exactly the same bonuses so no gain for anyone.

food you could gain shannon and we 1 of your regions but who would really keep the gained region(...sneaky canadians 😁

houses we would get far less than you. you holding 2 - 1 shared with us. we holding 3 i presume canada would have 4 then but we 1then?

sneaky canadians just are looking for more regions to plant their maple trees.

Don't knock our delicious syrup until you try it. 🙂

Cool idea! Worth trying!

Cool idea! Worth trying!

Thanks and appreciate the offer

but

No thanks

Just as many great plans that look good on paper this one just won't fly in real life (or eLife).

Seriously great friends with eCanada but a joining just has too many issues to work out.

I've picked apart a mechanical merger in the past dmv, strategically it's a liability.
Your idea of merging meta-governments, without attempting to override ingame mechanics, is something else though. Probably much more viable than mechanical mergers.
However eCan's & eIre's metas do not seem compatible. eCan traditionally runs an RP heavy offsite bureaucracy while eIre has set itself up to operate almost entirely ingame.
+ ur Serbanian citizenship would have to be addressed 😁

Our Serbian citizenship has been greatly reduced. We're actually not as offsite as active as we once were.

Was referring to your alliance membership. Always tryna coax eCan & ePort back into the light ya know.

Serbia has been a better ally to Canada than a lot of the nations on your side were when we were still on the same side. I personally have been pleasantly surprised with how good our allies have been to us.

Im on board sounds like a good idea.