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[EN / BG] What happened to the brotherhood? / Какво стана с братството?
Political debates and analysis 
ENGLISH VERSION
The article I am about to write was provoked by the shout I wrote an hour ago.
Before getting into any details, I want to state that the following is my personal opinion on this matter, not the government’s. Still, as I am a congress member of eBulgaria and I have clear view on the moods of eBulgarian citizens, I represent a part of them.
The issue, I am about to discuss, as you may have already guessed, is the eBulgarian veto on eTurkey membership in EDEN.
Now, as I have thought, and so are the majority of Bulgarians, our veto was respected by EDEN’s HQ. And as we stated – we (Bulgaria) cannot accept Turkey as part of EDEN, as more than 62% voted against on the national referendum. And as the same majority thought – this question is not to be discussed anymore, as we (Bulgaria), as full member of this union, have given our hard word on this.
But things are not quite this way…
A bird has told me, we are becoming an obstacle, or should I say pain in the ass, to the EDEN’s HQ. Why is that? Simply, because we have a clear mind on what we don’t want to happen. We are not the type of people that will forget all the damage eTurkey have done just like that and I am not talking about numbers they do in battles. But, as my point is not to discuss why eTR should be out of EDEN, I will get straight to the point here.
eTR was accepted as trial member of EDEN somewhere in the middle of December, nearly 2 months ago. They wanted to – they got this privilege right away. A month later eBG veto eTR membership in EDEN, but, a month later, they still continue to be trial member. Cool, huh?
Now I ask – how come a trial member, who has been enemy for almost forever, becomes more important than a full member of the EDEN brotherhood, don’t know if I can call it that way anymore, that has been given it’s best for over a year now? And here is the simple answer – numbers. Damage they do is what matters, not the opinion of an old grumpy and respected ally country.
eTurkey, this is what you are in EDEN’s HQ eyes – damage, damage, damage. You are not respected for who you are and what kind of morals you have. You are just a big drop of damage in the sea of EDEN’s damage, nothing more, nothing less.
Ukraine wants it’s regions back, we want Iran’s regions. EDEN says: “Sign MPP with eTR and you shall be given what you want.” If you read between the rows, you will see the following: “Sign MPP with eTR and accept them officially in EDEN, despite your veto.”
Okay, no problem, we can sign that bloody MPP. Just as soon as we see MPP signing between Croatia and Serbia and Greece and FYROM. Why would you involve real life into the game Croatia and Greece? FYROM and Serbia have so much damage to give. We will all be ONE big happy family, wouldn’t we?
Six months ago, when I was CP of eBulgaria, things stood quite different in EDEN’s HQ. All had deep respect for each other, anybody’s opinion was important, anybody’s suggestions were taken in consideration. Some of the today’s members were there at that time, some were not. But the majority of those who are still there to this day, have changed a lot.
EDEN’s HQ has become an oligarchy. Many people have become lifetime members. Let me remind you HQ is supposed to be elected every month, not something to be inherited. EDEN HQ is obliged to work for the interest of any EDEN member. This includes respecting it’s veto against an enemy country, to avoid further inner conflicts between member countries. If HQ can’t handle keeping the stability and harmony between members and raises tension between allied countries, it is clearly not capable of doing it’s job and needs to be changed for good.
There is a good Bulgarian saying: "The fish starts to smell from the head down."
So, here goes my appeal:
EDEN CP’s, EDEN people, stop being a puppet in someone’s hands and do something to bring back the brotherhood back. Today it is eBulgaria that opinion does not count, tomorrow will be someone else’s and in the end of it the whole union will suffer. Do what has to be done. Time for change has come.
So… EDEN HQ, treat us one more time like this and we will have party in here.
Don't let eTurkey be the Apple of Discord
БЪЛГАРСКА ВЕРСИЯ
Статията, която ще напиша е провокирана от шаута, който написах преди около час.
Преди да навлезна в каквито и да било детайли, искам да е ясно, че това, което ще напиша, е моето лично мнение, а не на правителството. Все пак, бидейки депутат и виждайки настроеният сред хората, аз представлявам и мнението на тази част от тях, която е съгласна с моята гледна точка.
Проблемът, който ще коментирам, както много от вас вече може да са се досетили, е българското вето над членството на Турция в EDEN.
Както мислех в началото, заедно с болшинството българи, ветото ни бе уважено от Генералния щаб на ЕДЕН (ГЩ на ЕДЕН). Ние ясно заявихме, чрез национален референдум, с над 62% гласували против, че не желаем да приемем Турция като член на съюза. И същото това болшинство, нормално, си помисли, че въпросът е приключен и ние като част от съюза сме дали твърдата си дума.
Само че нещата не стоят съвсем по този начин…
Едно птиче ми каза, че започваме да се превръщаме в пречка в очите на ГЩ на ЕДЕН. Защо се получава така? Явно, защото имаме ясна позиция за това какво не искаме. Не сме хора, които така лесно и просто ще забравят вредата, която Турция е нанесла над нас и членки на съюза. Но тъй като нямам за цел да дискутирам защо турците не трябва да са в ЕДЕН, преминавам към съществената част.
Турция беше приета на пробен период в ЕДЕН някъде около средата на Декември, почти преди 2 месеца. Само поискаха и им се даде тази привилегия. Месец след това България налага вето над членството на Турция в ЕДЕН, но към дадения момент те все още са на пробен период за членство в съюза. Яко, нали?
И сега, въпросът ми е – как се получава така, че страна на пробен период, която почти винаги е била наш враг, става по-важна от пълноправен член на съюза, който е давал най-доброто от себе си за него от над година? Простият отговор е само една дума – числа. Щетата, която нанасят е това, което е важно за ГЩ на ЕДЕН, а не мнението на стара, сърдита и уважавана, уж, съюзническа страна.
Това са турците в очите на ГЩ на ЕДЕН – щета, щета, щета. Турците не са желани в ЕДЕН, заради хората, които са или заради качествата, които притежават. Те са просто голяма капка щета в морето от щета на ЕДЕН, нищо повече.
Украйна иска регионите си обратно от нас. Ние искаме региони от Иран. ЕДЕН казва: „Подписвате МПП с турците и ще ви се дадат.“. Само че, четейки между редовете, виждаме следното: „Подписвате МПП с турците и ги приемаме вече официално в ЕДЕН, въпреки ветото ви.“
Добре, бихме подписали такова МПП, веднага след като видим желание от страна на Хърватия да подпише със Сърбия и Гърция с БЮРМ. Нали все пак не трябва да намесваме РЖ в играта, какво толкова? Ще бъдем едно голямо щастливо семейство.
Преди 6 месеца, когато бях президент на България, нещата седяха по съвсем различен начин в ГЩ на ЕДЕН. Всички имаха дълбоко уважение един към друг, мнението на всеки беше важно, всеки можеше да прави предложения, които не само да се взимат под внимание, но и да се изпълняват. Някои от сегашните членове, бяха членове и тогава. Но, както виждам, голяма част от тези, които са все още там, са се променили коренно.
ГЩ на ЕДЕН се е превърнал в една олигархия. Много хора се превърнаха в пожизнени членове. Нека да припомня, че ГЩ трябва да се избира всеки месец, а не да членството да се предава по наследство. ГЩ на ЕДЕН е задължен да работи за интересите на всеки от членовете на съюза. Това включва зачитане на вето срещу вражеска страна, за да се избегнат евентуални вътрешни конфликти между страни членки. Ако ГЩ не може да се справи със задачата да поддържа стабилност и хармония между членовете и, в същото време, се създава напрежение, то става ясно, че не се справя със задачата си и се налага да се направи промяна.
Както гласи поговорката: Рибата се вмирисва откъм главата.
Така, че ето го моя апел:
Към всички президенти на ЕДЕН и всички хора, част от ЕДЕН,
Не можете вечно да сте кукли в ръцете на умели кукловоди, трябва да си върнем братството обратно. Днес е само България, но утре ще бъде някой друг, който ще се чувства маловажен и незначителен, а от това страда целият съюз. Направете каквото е нужно да се направи. Дойде време за промяна.
Към ГЩ на ЕДЕН… отнесете се още веднъж така с нас и ще спретнем малък купон.
Нека не допускаме Турция да бъде ябълката на раздора
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HAIL BULGARIA!
FAIL EDEN!
о7
Good way to explain bulgarian point of view!
Well done!
o7
ULTRABOTEV
you wrote only what's working in your favor...
btw, when country rejects someone's membership in alliance, it doesn't terminate the trial, it only prolongs it for another month.
az vikam kupona da zapochva
LET'S HAVE A PARTYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Bulgaria put their ego and pride before the Brotherhood's interests, that's what happend.
Regardless, if Bulgaria said no on the summit, that decision should be respected.
Leave EDEN and make a new alliance
votado. i prefer Bulgaria in EDEN. Turkey is not a true ally.
and moreover, things didnt go that way, but obviously you are trying to create a casus belli
NEW EDEN SUPREME COMMANDER !
OR THE PARTY WILL START !
Добра статия.
Иска ми се по-малко фокуса да е върху "защо сме против Турция" и повече да е "защо ЕДЕН не уважи решението ни" и тук се е получило добре.
Sidewinder.ISR .. would you put MPP with Macedonia?
Selfish and stubborn.. those are the best words.
You can't use eR as a base since Greece forgave them and they're the real "Natural Enemies", you're not. You were allied to Turkey for a long time before you flipped and joined EDEN.
Excuses..
i don't have any Hope for slove this Problem
Leave EDEN and make a new alliance or Join to ONE
Че ние фейлнахме, фейлнахме... HQ-то обаче не може да се справи с този фейл по подобаващ начин -> HQ-то трябва да се реформира.
“Sign MPP with eTR and you shall be given what you want.”
actually this was never told to bulgaria by eden. eden doesnt control turkey and can't negotiate turkey's regions.
"Let me remind you HQ is supposed to be elected every month, not something to be inherited."
EDEN HQ was elected yesterday.
"radens
btw, when country rejects someone's membership in alliance, it doesn't terminate the trial, it only prolongs it for another month."
did you just make that up?
"Bulgaria put their ego and pride before the Brotherhood's interests, that's what happend."
That may be truth, when talking about our referendum and the following veto.
But Isn't the HQ currently putting their own ego and pride before our decision?
Bulgaria in ONE? ONE is NO MORE. ONE is dead..
Bulgaria will stay in EDEN, but Turkey will not join EDEN.
Срокът на годност на ЕДЕН изтече!
Явно всеки съюз си има такъв и просто му мина времето. Същите проблеми, които прецакаха и Феникс. Вкопчат ли се едни и същи хора във властта, просто всичко хубаво свършва моментално.
@radens,
I only wrote things, that happen in the erep reality. I feel like it is December 2010 and we are part of Phoenix...
@mappina,
Obviously EDEN HQ is not leaving this issue, and yesterday's summit showed that clearly. That is why I wrote the article, not just because I want to raise conflicts. I have stated in my article, where the trouble comes from...
So… EDEN HQ, treat us one more time like this and we will have party in here.
+11111111111111111111
EDEN you must choose Bulgaria or Turkey. Stop the political nonsense
Sidewinder.ISR@ i`m waiting for your answer ..
Dont join one.. Just make a new alliance
Leave EDEN and make a new alliance
Много приказки, малко факти, малко действителност и малко акъл .......
Voted + Supported
Turkey out of EDEN
Някой може ли да изкара хората, които са в това знаменито EDEN HQ да видим коя страна колко представителя има?
Bulgaria seems to be the same in Eden as Poland in ONE.
well ultrabotev, the trouble comes not from eden HQ side, since we didnt say that way, but from your side, since is you that are making up things in your article.
btw, I still hope you will come back to show some common sense in this shit.
HAIL turkey
FAIL BULGARIA!
l0l you call US FYROM and you want to be ONE HQ member ? no... til MACEDONIA is in ONE (MACEDONIA - ONE - FOREVER)
vote to the top
@smee again can you tell me please, if you know, where i can see who is in EDEN HQ now, and who was previous month? Where can i see EDEN HQ staff from the beginning, so i can see is there people that are subscribed.
Is there a article to inform eden citizens who is their new military command?
@Sidewinder.ISR & radens:
So Iawsn, 'teh great', doesn't put his own EGO and INTERESTS above anything else, like many other Greek/Croatian egobags? Give me a damn brake and show us some elementary, human being, principles of ethics.
If not, you're just some narrow-minded, big ego dumbsh*t (:
Simple as that.
Join ONE
o/
o7
ok so based on RL we should also leave EDEN and make an alliance with Serbia.. NE Italy(we had an RL war) NE Albania(we never really liked them), NE Bulgaria(RL war there too) NE Turkey and Vardarska(no need to give reasons for that) and after conquering half Europe we ll reach Germany to NE them too..ooh i also forgot the English and Americans:D
Hail Greek-Serbian Brotherhood:D
@mappina This is not true too ,right ? -->
23:07 tablov[BG] i want to ask you something will Croatia accept Serbia in EDEN
23:08 tablov[BG] or Greece - Macedonia
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] Macedonia is Greece
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] say it one more time like that and we will party in here
You miss the time when Serbia was advancing in Sofia dont you!
Turkey changed everything. Still the balance is in favor to ONE but not dramatically as it use to be,.
So stop being whinny and stand for to win the game... Plus most Bulgarian's support Turkey's membership actually they dont care. You and your dedicated minority claims otherwise... period...
12 years old boys deciding the future of the whole group of Bulgarians.. very nice
Hail Bulgaria
Hail Ireland
Bulgaria and Turkey can be allies, if both take the step to meet eachother half way. Or wish to be eternal enemies in a game? Doesnt help with EDEN HQ trying to sway the vote, but still too much focus on the past, and not on the future.
Hail Bulgaria
Hail Croatia
@tikiki18
Plus most Bulgarian's support Turkey's membership actually they dont care.
Really?
@mf2hd.bg: yes whenever there is election there is article, you can find this in the Voice of EDEN's newspaper. As for last nights election i believe a new article has not yet been published, I'm sure the new PR of EDEN, Boyan, will publish it though.
@mappina,
I've seen and read enough from yesterday evening to state that EDEN HQ will do anything to get eTR in EDEN. I will not post logs, since it is not correct.
Okay, no problem, we can sign that bloody MPP. Just as soon as we see MPP signing between Croatia and Serbia and Greece and FYROM. Why would you involve real life into the game Croatia and Greece? FYROM and Serbia have so much damage to give. We will all be ONE big happy family, wouldn’t we?
eTR and eBG were never arch enemies in this game. It was eTR and eGR and we signed an MPP.
HAIL BULGARIA!
FAIL EDEN!
"EDEN HQ is obliged to work for the interest of any EDEN=Croatian member."
You are just a tool in zdlemmy's hands, admit it...
Either you will improve your daily damage
or turkey damage will replace your place in (T)EDEN
Your choice!
i only see eTurkey eTr blah blah
so your problem is Turkey....and not EDEN
Stop! Partytime \ o /
you are right!!!
Soooooo right!
We want our brothers back.
DONT GIVE UP BULGARIA!!!!
get out of eden, your endless bickering is pointless and its pathetic,even turkey is more useful than you and frankly no one cares what you think
Ukraine wants it’s regions back, we want Iran’s regions. EDEN says: “Sign MPP with eTR and you shall be given what you want.” If you read between the rows, you will see the following: “Sign MPP with eTR and accept them officially in EDEN, despite your veto.”
Okay, no problem, we can sign that bloody MPP. Just as soon as we see MPP signing between Croatia and Serbia and Greece and FYROM. Why would you involve real life into the game Croatia and Greece? FYROM and Serbia have so much damage to give. We will all be ONE big happy family, wouldn’t we? X 2
FAIL turkey and turkish traitors, garbage of any alliance !!!
ObjasniJo : D ...
MCMOOX je bio ovde!!!!
There is a good Bulgarian saying: "The fish starts to smell from the head down."
ok, this is not bulgarian. as for other... countries changed sides in this game, don't see reason why should turkey always be pro one. this is game, things changes, no need to be stuck in the past all the time. if your ally proves on battlefield and actions - they did enough
EOD
HAIL BULGARIA !
FAIL EDEN!
FAIL TURKEY!
FAIL CROATIA!
FAIL GREECE!
FAIL USA !
Dear Friends, let me ask you politely, are you aware of the fact that there is an Agreement between Ukraine and Bulgaria (Taurida Protocol http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-president-of-eukraine-1-1947371/1/20) which shall be in force and binding to both our countries?
According to the Taurida Protocol the lease period of Ukrainian region Taurida which eBulgaria currently holds based on this Taurida Protocol shall expire on 7 February 2012.
1. eUkraine agrees to continue renting out Ukrainian region Taurida to eBulgaria untill at least Feb. 7th, 2012, or longer if agreed to by the next CP of eUkraine.
Moreover, according to Taurida Protocol
5.1. Bulgaria, as defined by MPP agreement, agrees to provide prio-1 and prio-2 military (or lower when is agreed with Ukrainian side) support in Ukrainian defence battles and other military campaigns specified separately in in an nnexations classified as "confidential".
You should be aware that yesterday eUkraine had a major fight against ePoland which attacked our country in Volhynia.
So, let me ask you, friends, where was fight against ePoland in your Prios?
Why eTurkey provided 10 times more! damage for eUkraine against ePoland comparing to our friends and brothers from eBulgaria?
And finally, if eBulgaria does not intend to respect the Taurida Protocol, on which basis Ukrainian region Taurida is still held by our friends and brothers?
greece put their pride into their *ss thats what happened xD
together with someone elses 'pride' xD
направете тогава един референдим за членството ни в еден, и да вим какво искат хората
Again.. ufffffffff.
eBG you are not EDEN.
The new power is eTurkey.
We are ready for everything.
@Wu-Tang:
you dont have to sign MPP with Turkey. Turkey is significant to other EDEN countries, unlikefyrom, which is just plain anoying. You havent been in a direct conflict for MONTHS with Turkey, while countries like Ukranie, Israel and Cyprus have suffered from their hand alot of times. I am from Israel in real life, and as you can see I can put EDEN before ego. and Turkey really IS an enemy of eIsrael, both in game and in real life.
it is a clear choice, obey or get out !!!
23:07 tablov[BG] i want to ask you something will Croatia accept Serbia in EDEN
23:08 tablov[BG] or Greece - Macedonia
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] Macedonia is Greece
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] say it one more time like that and we will party in here
FACEPALM, and this from EDEN HQ...
@resoperka,
Many countries have the same sayings.
And I don't mind Turkey being proEDEN. It is their choice, I can do nothing about it. It is just their membership, I am against.
i think people are really bored to get to the point to create problems where they dont really exist
as for fyrom , its a member of ONE so egreece cant sign MPP with them , if they decide to join EDEN and accept to be called and use their international recognized name FYROM we will discuss the matter with good faith
as i know ebulgaria and eturkey dont have an rl issue involved in their relations so the only thing that misses is good faith
Hail Bulgaria!!
Can somebody post a link to this newspaper : Voice of EDEN.
Thank you.
congrats, let me ask you one thing?
If you obviously can not forgive some "crimes from the past" against Turkey, what is your alternative. Tomorrow you gonna walk out of EDEN, and become member of ONE - with countries whose crimes form the past you CAN forgive!!!???
Is Turkey member of EDEN?
No.
Why not?
Because one nation said - NO to them
Which nation?
Bulgaria
Was it respected?
Yes
Facts are simple guys, eTR is needed for EDEN, or once again, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, will seize to exist on map of World. Once again, your opinion will be heard and respected as always.
One time, one opinion, one suggestion, one favour - and you become this grumpy????!!!???
And still ain't and won't be a DECISION without you...I can honously say just one thing guys - WTF!!!
And again...if you really step out - enjoy with your friends from ONE, who never betrayed you, who never backstabed you, who always respected you, who never made decision without you, who haven't had crimes form past.
And go ahead - ask Spain, Iran, Hungary, Sweden, Venezuela how they are treated there, and how the decisions are made. With acclamation, and every country needs to agree with decision.
Yeah, right!
What happened with common sense in Bulgaria? You want regions from Turkey, but no MPP. You dont want to be friends with them, but also you had a nap with them for the last 9-10 months, isnt it?
And do not compare this with Croatia-Serbia, Romania-Hungary, because we are fighting with them, not have a long time peace with them.
what do you want after all? make up your mind
Само нека не ставаме егоисти и да си върнем кротко регионите на Украйна и да си запазим добрите отношения защото иначе ще бъде страшен фейл от наша страна! Поставете се на тяхно място и мислете разумно!
As I am told, EDEN is a brotherhood and every country should put EDEN's benefits first before their own country.
Now let's look at the situation, all 13 EDEN members, all the GEA members want Turkey inside of EDEN.
Turkey has shown that its a great and trustable ally, even fought for Bulgaria numerous times just to prove that their prejudices are false.
Now, you can not just go and say "we veto Turkey because we don't like them". You have to express your point and arguments.
Bulgaria is acting like a spoiled child and a drama queen, this is why the HQ and the rest of the countries are disappointed with Bulgaria.
This was exactly the same behavior that led to the summit in Phoenix HQ to vote for the removal of Bulgaria from the alliance.
Remember, you were in Turkey's shoes not long time ago and nobody tried to veto you "because they don't like you".
I see that Bulgarians are trying to use the "choose us over Turkey, or we're going to the fronts of the enemy" card. Well, even this shows how much you care about EDEN.
2 months ago, when Bulgarian president Roonex told me that he voted in favor of Turkey in the EDEN vote, I was really delighted and was hopeful towards our future alliance and cooperation together. But now I am out of hopes, you people are the example of the famous quote of Albert Einstein.
Regards,
kloraq
ultrabotev, the NOT correct thing is to leak the discussion from eden meetings. Like this
Plamen Vylchev Day 1,542, 04:18
@mappina This is not true too ,right ? -->
23:07 tablov[BG] i want to ask you something will Croatia accept Serbia in EDEN
23:08 tablov[BG] or Greece - Macedonia
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] Macedonia is Greece
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] say it one more time like that and we will party in here
so, please, do not talk to me about being correct if you dont show that you are in front of EDEN. You are just demandingdemanding demanding. and is all about... uh? bonuses :o
you are clearly acting like a ONE country, to be honest, and this hurts me
Daemoner .. you are so brave now .. but do you remeber the days when you were erased .. you exist now only because of us !
Greeks are really starting to annoy me. First they are all against Turkey, now they are best friends. Just like in RL, they backstapped the EU by lying in their annual reports and by creating a fiscal crisis out of their laziness. The same way they want to be lazy and win wars without a fight, with Turkey by their side.
it ürür kervan yürür
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] say it one more time like that and we will party in here
True point...we will have party in here and Cro,Greece and Turkey will be the girls \o/
countries base their decisions NOT on feelings but on benefits. this is the fact that all world is built on.
if it makes sense for EDEN to have eTurkey on its side that means it is for EDEN countries benefits. Since eBulgaria does not show real facts but instead insists on feeling based Veto maybe thats why it does not sound like a good reason to accept for the rest of the EDEN countries. just my two cents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwA0jdiiKb8
agggrrrhhh
stop with defiance
krumstrashnii STFU!
@mappina, I don't care about bonuses, I can live without them. I just can't manage to be calm when I see that in EDEN countries are equal and anyone is important. Seems to me, some are more equal than others...
...and no logs have leaked from me and never will.
23:07 tablov[BG] i want to ask you something will Croatia accept Serbia in EDEN
23:08 tablov[BG] or Greece - Macedonia
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] Macedonia is Greece
23:08 Iaswn[HQ] say it one more time like that and we will party in here
FACEPALM, and this from EDEN HQ +11111
eBG you are not EDEN.
The new power is eTurkey.
We are ready for everything
I like your "about me". : )
CRO&GRE TRAITORS ! ! ! BULGARIA IS NOT THE COUNTRY WITH YOU CAN JOKE !
Truth hurts, right Kikooo?
KrumStrashnii you start to annoy me too with your rl racist views
if you bulgarians think the same like this idiot get the helll out and go to ONE to suck up serbs , i ll glandly fight the hell against you
voted and supported
You should stand by your beliefs. You are also right about Eden Hq's lifetime members, they becoming a cancer.
Ukraine wants it’s regions back, we want Iran’s regions.
How can u want those regions which we hadnt mpp yet.Are we allies?-NO . We will respect our allies.
Hail EDEN!
Hail Turkey!
"ONE big happy family"
aye o/
Leave EDEN and make a new alliance or Join to ONE
Sign MPP with eTR and you shall be given what you want.
First of all you have not clear naswer about this situation. You do not sign and want eIran? Are you kidding?
Second, some of the eBulgarian people has no complains about Turkey but you force your own people i think.
what truth? first take your immigrants out of Greece and then ask for the truth
Ne demışler "it ürür kervan yürür"
vıva eTR
go out eBG
remove those people from HQ
ULTRABOTEV is a wise person and the article explains everything pretty well.
EDEN, do what we want, or we will do what we want! U want turkey's influence? OK, but forget for our influence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - It is so simple! It is us or them! No way for both of us!
I just noticed there's no point at all, arguing with a bunch of narrow-minded kids, over the Interwebz.
Twas worth reading some of the comments, fun as hell, though xD
Kikooo
All hail George Papandreou.
We love this man. \o/